Is ACOG the way to go?

[Failure2Stop]

I don't see this as a valuable measurement since you are only finding the reticule once, essentially (since you're not breaking cheekweld to lead with your eyes to the next target), and it's the finding the reticule that I find slows me down.

I agree.
I was trying to think of a way to find the reticle with a speed and precision requirement as well as a hard-mount requirement, that most people would be able to do.
I really like wide transitions, I like to hit 5 to 8 inch plates placed approximately 20 to 25 meters from each other from 25 to 50 meters out. Wide transitions (10 shots or so, alternating back and forth) force a lot of reticle appreciation.

[El Cid]

I am hopeful that we'll get a chance to play with this concept this coming weekend.

One thing I've noticed is that a lot of guys will talk about their ability to shoot the 2x2x2 or the 1-5 just as fast on 1.x as with an RDS. I don't see this as a valuable measurement since you are only finding the reticule once, essentially (since you're not breaking cheekweld to lead with your eyes to the next target), and it's the finding the reticule that I find slows me down. Moving laterally past an array of targets, for example, is where I find the breakdown.

We're going to hopefully do the 9-hole from 25 yards. That requires you to find the reticule 9 times, at awkward angles, and from unconventional positions. The idea is that we'll have several optics zeroed for one gun and multiple shooters to run through it. Not sure if that'll materialize or not or if we'll have the time. we'll also do others, time permitting.

Great point. I'm dying to give my variable a go at the 9-hole wall next time we do Cold Shot! If the Z6i allows me to work it at close to the same level, I'll be ecstatic. I'll have my previous times on the wall with the same rifle and PRO for comparison.

[Crow Hunter]

We're going to hopefully do the 9-hole from 25 yards. That requires you to find the reticule 9 times, at awkward angles, and from unconventional positions. The idea is that we'll have several optics zeroed for one gun and multiple shooters to run through it. Not sure if that'll materialize or not or if we'll have the time. we'll also do others, time permitting.

I would love to see these results!

Please post them if you get to do it and have time.

I never timed myself but I did feel that I was spending time trying to find a target with magnified optics (TR24/TA33) that I didn't seem to have with a RDS.

I didn't want to devote the time to training this feeling out so I ditched the magnified optics and went back to RDS but it would be interesting to see others data.

[sniperfrog]

I have a TA33 and I really wish I could do the flip down cover thing but it shifts my group about 6-8 inches at 10 yards.


Kinda weird because I know some guys that it doesn't change their impacts at all.

I may try some side irons since I'm too cheap to buy a T1.

[Failure2Stop]

I have a TA33 and I really wish I could do the flip down cover thing but it shifts my group about 6-8 inches at 10 yards.


Kinda weird because I know some guys that it doesn't change their impacts at all.

Seems like the occluded objective lens works for about 50% of the shooting population.
Does not work for me practically past about 7 yards, regardless of what eye I am using.

As far as I am concerned, if it works for a user, great, but you will only know if it works if you try it, and even those that it "works" for are experiencing some kind of shift.

[sniperfrog]

I'd like to figure out why the occluded lens works for only half the people.

We had some guys at work using TA11s and they were trying the occluded objective lens thing. The guy that told them to try it has no issues and assumed no one else would either. They were all getting pissed at each other because for 3 of the guys it worked great but the other 4 had a serious shift in impact. The first 3 thought the other guys were f***ed up and the other 4 couldn't convince the 3 that the reticle would shift.

[Failure2Stop]

http://www.geteyesmart.org/eyesmart/...strabismus.cfm

Seems to be a combination of variables that leads to one eye just kind of wandering off of the dominant eye's LOS.

[Voltron]

I have been looking at ACOG's for a couple of months, and I ended up buying a TA11H-G. The 2 ACOG's that are often recomended are the TA11 and TA33. A lot of people love the TA33 because it it light, compact, long eye relief, and is easily used for the BAC. The TA33 a smaller FOV then the TA11 which some users don't mind. I went with the TA11 because I wasn't as concerned with the weight and size, but the FOV made the difference. One thing that I noticed that made me get the TA11 over the TA33 was when I look into the optic, the black ring that is around the view seemed much thicker on the TA33 and made it seem chunkier when looking thru the lens. The eye relief on the TA11 is excellent, and is every bit as good as the TA33 or better.

After I narrowed it down the the TA11, the next big choice was the reticle. I had a TriPower previously to purchasing the ACOG, and I liked the chevron a lot. It was much more precise then a 2 or 4 MOA dot like an Aimpoint or similar. I researched all of the TA11 reticle options and I found that I prefered the horseshoe, it seemed to grab my attention better when using it for CQB. The runner up was the chevron, but as mentioned by some it seems slightly cluttered and blocked the view of the target some.

The next decision was amber, red, or green. For me it was an easy choice, GREEN!!! I'm not sure if it was my inner zombie killer coming out or if it was the fact that the color really popped to me and instantly caught my attention. Red is a great color for reticles, but the green is better for my eyes.

If you have the access to a gun store that stocks ACOG's I would suggest that you look thru all of them, and see how you like them. Before I looked at them I was dead set on a TA31R-8, which is a great optic but the TA11H-G was far better for me. If I had to choose a different ACOG I would have gone with the TA33H-G.

[J_Dub_503]

A T1 would be my first choice. If I need magnification I prefer a variable scope.

[Battle*Hound]

To the OP
About a few years ago i wanted a 4x in a bad way. At the time I was just using my stock LMT removables. I researched the subject til my eyes bled...for months upon months. Since then I have had the GRSC 1-4 (unbeatable for the price on the Korean units), Accupoint TR24G (nice but needs BDC, or more specific the GRSC reticle) and toyed with a couple others. I would like to try the TA33 but $ is hard enough to come by without losing a bit every time you have to sell a part because it is the wrong one; so I ended up with a T1 on ADM for about $700. I couldn't be happier. I still like the concept of the variable or the TA33 but for the money...the T1 is simple and tough as nails. Beings you are familiar with the cog maybe that will work but I say try a red dot. They are no bs, simple, pull the trigger fun! Good luck with your search.