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Thread: 16" Midlength BCM won't feed steel casing. Normal or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by djmorris View Post
    I just have everyone on here telling me their 16" midlength BCM shoots Wolf, etc reliably while mine doesn't. I do agree that it's not that big of a deal if the Wolf ammo malfunctions here and there because I'm only using it as target ammo. I would like to stock some for long term storage as well but it'd probably be worth the extra couple of dollars to go with something better.
    Something to check while your upper is being checked by BCM.

    1. If using USGI/aluminum mags. Check the lower edge of the feed lips for a burr. They are stamped and sometimes the newer ones have a burr that digs into the casing of the top round causing it to drag when chambering. I have taken a little emery cloth and debarred that area on many aluminum mags.

    2. When you get your upper back make sure you use a chamber brush, fixed handle rod and solvent to muck out the chamber.

    3. Lastly, I have had 2 colt carbines that would not run Wolf 55g when they were new. after about 500-1000 rds of "Break in" they run Wolf or cheap steel cased stuff just fine. I know people will say that a "Properly Built Quality Rifle Doesn't need breaking in but my experience with a few different rifles is different. BCG's and bolts do "Mate" to their respective parts. I run everything I have extremely "WET" (again, in my experience)

    Let us know how your rifle runs when you get it back.

    Until that day,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkop View Post
    Something to check while your upper is being checked by BCM.

    1. If using USGI/aluminum mags. Check the lower edge of the feed lips for a burr. They are stamped and sometimes the newer ones have a burr that digs into the casing of the top round causing it to drag when chambering. I have taken a little emery cloth and debarred that area on many aluminum mags.

    2. When you get your upper back make sure you use a chamber brush, fixed handle rod and solvent to muck out the chamber.

    3. Lastly, I have had 2 colt carbines that would not run Wolf 55g when they were new. after about 500-1000 rds of "Break in" they run Wolf or cheap steel cased stuff just fine. I know people will say that a "Properly Built Quality Rifle Doesn't need breaking in but my experience with a few different rifles is different. BCG's and bolts do "Mate" to their respective parts. I run everything I have extremely "WET" (again, in my experience)

    Let us know how your rifle runs when you get it back.

    Until that day,
    Darkop
    Thanks for the advice. It could be that it needs a nice break-in with full power 5.56 ammo but I'm going to send it to BCM to be safe. At least when I get it back I'll know for sure that it's 100%. I'm definitely to grab some more of the M193 ammo and hopefully put a few hundred through my rifle when I get it back from BCM. THEN, I'll go ahead and try the steel cased rounds again.

    I know "break-in" for a high quality rifle is not a myth. This rifle was not feeding the steel cased ammo AT ALL for my first two range trips. After putting some roundage through it, it now feeds/fires the rounds but the bolt isn't locking back properly. That to me is proof because I had changed nothing for it to suddenly start feeding/firing the steel cased.

    I'll resurrect this thread and let you guys know how things turned out when I receive my upper and bolt carrier group back - probably a couple of weeks. I'm so disappointed because my Troy free float rail should be arriving Saturday, after I've shipped the upper out

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    Are you using Wolf Mil-Classic in the camo box??

    or the older black box made at the Tula plant??

    I have 0 issues with Wolf MC in the camo box..

    I have some infrequent issues with TulaAmmo in the black box.. (doesn't alwyas lock the slide back, but runs fine otherwise but soft).

    (this is on a BCM 14.5" BFH Middy with Carbine Buffer that I got last November..)

    Should run a few 100 rounds of NATO spec brass cased ammo 1st always.. IMHO..

    then I use a brass chamber brush and scrub it out..

    then I put a few drops of oil in the chamber throat..

    then I run my steel cased ammo..

    *side note.. also don't mix STEEL and BRASS in the same mag..

    *Also if its really cold the steel cases may bind on the PMag polymer lips.. I noticed mine were hard to load and manually unload when it was 29'F the other day here.. (these mags have prior seen over 400 rounds each)

    these are IMHO..
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    Quote Originally Posted by YWHIC View Post
    Are you using Wolf Mil-Classic in the camo box??

    or the older black box made at the Tula plant??

    I have 0 issues with Wolf MC in the camo box..

    I have some infrequent issues with TulaAmmo in the black box.. (doesn't alwyas lock the slide back, but runs fine otherwise but soft).

    (this is on a BCM 14.5" BFH Middy with Carbine Buffer that I got last November..)

    Should run a few 100 rounds of NATO spec brass cased ammo 1st always.. IMHO..

    then I use a brass chamber brush and scrub it out..

    then I put a few drops of oil in the chamber throat..

    then I run my steel cased ammo..

    *side note.. also don't mix STEEL and BRASS in the same mag..

    *Also if its really cold the steel cases may bind on the PMag polymer lips.. I noticed mine were hard to load and manually unload when it was 29'F the other day here.. (these mags have prior seen over 400 rounds each)

    these are IMHO..
    Yes, it's the camo box Wolf "mil classic". I do live in Maine so it's obviously very cold, but not bad enough to effect firearms.. at least I didn't think.. most times I've been outside shooting in 25-35F temperatures.

    I've pretty much decided that I'm shipping it back. I'm taking the rifle out for one more goodbye-for-now range trip tomorrow and packin' the baby up.

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    It would be easy to simply read this thread and move on but I do feel compelled to respond to a post made regarding the origin of this upper.

    I was the original owner of this upper and sold it to this gentleman through the EE. I have no problem providing the history of this upper if it may help the discussion.

    The upper was purchased directly from Bravo Company on 04/09/2011. I matched this upper to a BCM lower I purchased from G&R Tactical (thanks Grant) on 04/11/2011. The lower was shipped with an H buffer.

    The upper is a 16" LW mid-length. I originally purchased it because I wanted to build a light weight 16" rifle that I planned to run with iron sights only.

    I cleaned and lubed the upper when I received it and took it to the range to zero it and give it a function check; the rifle had 50 rounds down the barrel at that point. I used M193 ammunition and it functioned flawlessly. The next range visit I decided to switch up the ammo and ran another 25 rounds of MK 262 Mod-1 to zero that and shoot some targets out to 200 meters on the irons.

    The rifle was cleaned and then it sat in the safe. I decided to switch up to a BCM 14.5 pinned so I sold the upper here.

    For the record, the rifle was in pristine condition when sold and it functioned flawlessly for the time I owned it (it literally had 75 rounds total down the barrel). This was not a case of selling off a problem; it was sold to fund another project.

    I enjoy this site and rarely post, but felt this might answer some questions that were raised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by transition2secondary View Post
    It would be easy to simply read this thread and move on but I do feel compelled to respond to a post made regarding the origin of this upper.

    I was the original owner of this upper and sold it to this gentleman through the EE. I have no problem providing the history of this upper if it may help the discussion.

    The upper was purchased directly from Bravo Company on 04/09/2011. I matched this upper to a BCM lower I purchased from G&R Tactical (thanks Grant) on 04/11/2011. The lower was shipped with an H buffer.

    The upper is a 16" LW mid-length. I originally purchased it because I wanted to build a light weight 16" rifle that I planned to run with iron sights only.

    I cleaned and lubed the upper when I received it and took it to the range to zero it and give it a function check; the rifle had 50 rounds down the barrel at that point. I used M193 ammunition and it functioned flawlessly. The next range visit I decided to switch up the ammo and ran another 25 rounds of MK 262 Mod-1 to zero that and shoot some targets out to 200 meters on the irons.

    The rifle was cleaned and then it sat in the safe. I decided to switch up to a BCM 14.5 pinned so I sold the upper here.

    For the record, the rifle was in pristine condition when sold and it functioned flawlessly for the time I owned it (it literally had 75 rounds total down the barrel). This was not a case of selling off a problem; it was sold to fund another project.

    I enjoy this site and rarely post, but felt this might answer some questions that were raised.
    Thank you for that. It's nice to know that it did come straight from BCM as expected. Again, I never questioned the round count of it because it was very obvious that you never fired it beyond a few rounds. I'm overall very happy with the upper - it has not given me issues when shooting M193 or even .223 brass, just the cheap steel cased shit. I knew some people would throw the "why do you think he sold it?!" out there but that's not my way of thinking.

    I believe I got a very good deal on it since everyone else I dealt with on this forum was trying to sell me their heavily used uppers $10 less than retail; meanwhile Transition2Secondary saved me over $100 on a basically new BFH upper that I otherwise wouldn't have spent the extra cash on, plus threw in a set of mint MOE handguards. Regardless, I will be having BCM inspect/service not only the upper that I received in the deal but my BCM BCG that was purchased through Grant at G&R. Anyways, I just wanted to say that I wouldn't hesitate to deal with Transition2Secondary (or Grant) again and he's a stand up dude.

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    So I'm supposed to be receiving my upper/bcg from the UPS tomorrow. That means it will be 6 days for me to receive my equipment back from the time BCM received it. That's pretty impressive since it does include shipping time. Scratch pretty - it's very impressive.

    Here is what the most recent e-mail from BCM customers service said:

    "We have received, inspected and cleaned up your upper & BCG. You should be good to go now. After some range time, please let us know your results. For ammo, we do recommend Sierra & Black Hills. Here is the tracking information........"

    It seems to me they found nothing wrong. They cleaned it up, but I have already done that many times over and it's clearly not the issue. I'm happy with the service although a little disappointed that the issue was not identified.

    When I receive my upper back tomorrow, I'll be switching back to running an H buffer rather than the carbine because it did not seem to make much of a difference. The only notable difference was the bolt locking back slightly more often and there was possibly an increase in felt recoil.

    I think at this point, after having tried nearly everything and being unable to isolate the issue, I'll be shooting strictly nato spec ammo for a couple of months. I'm going to give the upper ample time to 'break-in' with full power ammunition before trying steel cased again. Hey who knows maybe it'll be chew through cheap ammo when I do receive it.. yeah.. wishful thinking..

    So yeah, I pretty much knew deep down that they would not find a fault with the upper or BCG; I just figured why not have peace of mind and maybe get some kind of free BCM goodie in return (hat? mousepad? stickers?) !! I understand that some rifles will choke while others of the same exact specs will not. I just wish it made more sense (to me.. ) "buy better ammo" isn't acceptable in the long run... at least, it shouldn't be...
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    Let me just say this. Take it for what it is worth. When the AR15/M16 was introduced, steel cased ammo was almost strictly an Eastern European thing. They have been making it for years for AK's and PKM's.

    But, the AR in my opinion was not designed to function and operate with steel cased ammo. Not saying they won't but some have proven more reliable than others.

    My BCM has successfully spit out 2100 rounds of steel cased ammo, all of which was Hornady steel TAP.



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    Quote Originally Posted by djmorris View Post

    I think at this point, after having tried nearly everything and being unable to isolate the issue, I'll be shooting strictly nato spec ammo for a couple of months. I'm going to give the upper ample time to 'break-in' with full power ammunition before trying steel cased again. Hey who knows maybe it'll be chew through cheap ammo when I do receive it.. yeah.. wishful thinking..

    So yeah, I pretty much knew deep down that they would not find a fault with the upper or BCG; I just figured why not have peace of mind and maybe get some kind of free BCM goodie in return (hat? mousepad? stickers?) !! I understand that some rifles will choke while others of the same exact specs will not. I just wish it made more sense (to me.. ) "buy better ammo" isn't acceptable in the long run... at least, it shouldn't be...
    I really wish you'd give the Wolf a try again with the carbine buffer to see if BCM did something (possibly something not detailed in the letter?) that remedied the problem. I am having the same issue that you are - relatively new BCM 14.5" lightweight upper that feeds IMI 193 flawlessly, but has constant failure to feed malfunctions with Wolf WPA that sound identical to yours. I run a carbine buffer exclusively with this setup, and feel that I should be able to fire Wolf. I'm going to follow in your footsteps and contact BCM if they did something that fixed your issue.
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    FWIW, I run Silver Bear 62gr HP through my BCM carbine w/ PMAGs without any hiccups. To me, a quality firearm isn't designed to only shoot quality ammo. A quality firearm should be able to chew up and spit out damn near anything and in my experience that has been the case.
    Last edited by HKUSP.40; 03-16-12 at 15:03.

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