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    Form 1, no engraving?

    I have a friend who is going to help me with an sbr build. I currently have a complete LMT rifle, which I will be using to start the process. I will be purchasing an LMT 10.5" upper when all is approved.

    My buddy works at a gun store and they say with a form 1, I don't need to have the lower engraved because is was purchased as an assembled lower from LMT.

    I know ignorance of the law does not excuse breaking it, so I wanted to ask all of you. Does that sound right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Anybody that owns or sells pistol versions of assault rifles is a bottom feeder, irregardless of the ban status of certain ammunition.

    They are illigetimate weapons that have no real purpose other than to attract retards to the gun community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kVon View Post
    I have a friend who is going to help me with an sbr build. I currently have a complete LMT rifle, which I will be using to start the process. I will be purchasing an LMT 10.5" upper when all is approved.

    My buddy works at a gun store and they say with a form 1, I don't need to have the lower engraved because is was purchased as an assembled lower from LMT.

    I know ignorance of the law does not excuse breaking it, so I wanted to ask all of you. Does that sound right?
    No, it's not right. The manufacturer of the receiver (LMT) has to engrave with a serial number and their company name and location. You, as the maker of the SBR, have to engrave with your name, city, state too.

    Read the thread here on M4C www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=26703 "Dumbest things overheard at the gun store". Your buddy's advice qualifies for that thread.

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    You are "manufacturing" a SBR with the Form 1, and must engrave it. This is why the form has a "Box h."
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimberFan View Post
    You are "manufacturing" a SBR with the Form 1, and must engrave it. This is why the form has a "Box h."
    BATFE, in the NFA Handbook, distiguishes between being a "manufacturer" and a "maker".

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    That's what I thought. Thanks guys.
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    Note that the BATFE allows a lot of latitude in engraving. The engraving itself can be as small as a 1/16th inch high font, and you can engrave in an inconspicuous location, as long as it's visible without disassembling the gun. My SBRs are all engraved inside the trigger well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    BATFE, in the NFA Handbook, distiguishes between being a "manufacturer" and a "maker".
    My error with the lingo.
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    Not to be too pedantic about it, and not really in disagreement with anyone, but from ATF Form 1 instructions, under section 1. Definitions:

    i: Make. The term “make”, and the various derivatives of such word, shall include manufacturing (other than by one qualified to engage in such business under the NFA) , putting together, altering, any combination of these, or otherwise producing a firearm.
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    If you own it on a form 1, it needs engraved. If it is on a form 4, you dont need to engrave.

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