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    Quote Originally Posted by tsconver View Post
    I just got my form 1 for correction and i was told i had to engrave my name and city state on it and was told to what to out in box h. This was using a finished lower that already had a manufacturer and serial number.
    Did they specify how you had to engrave your name? Full name or first initial/lastname....

    The problem with regulatory agencies. New boss often means they have the latitude to re-interpret the regulatory polices of the previous boss. One reason the NFA rules are so hard for us ordinary folk to figure out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    Did they specify how you had to engrave your name? Full name or first initial/lastname....

    The problem with regulatory agencies. New boss often means they have the latitude to re-interpret the regulatory polices of the previous boss. One reason the NFA rules are so hard for us ordinary folk to figure out.
    Even though Title 27 CFR Chaper II, part 479.102, (a), (2), (iii) states that "Your name (or recognized abbreviation)", city and state (state can be abbreviated) should be engraved on the receiver or the barrel. Current supervision in Martinsburg does not allow an abbreviation in the name.

    How many times do I have to say this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoby View Post
    Even though Title 27 CFR Chaper II, part 479.102, (a), (2), (iii) states that "Your name (or recognized abbreviation)", city and state (state can be abbreviated) should be engraved on the receiver or the barrel. Current supervision in Martinsburg does not allow an abbreviation in the name.

    How many times do I have to say this?
    A) you're assuming that I read your opinion somewhere

    B) you're assuming I believe you and have no need to seek another source of information

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    Hmac

    Not trying to start anything but you and others have been all over this thread:

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=93093&page=2

    You don't have to take my word for it. Pick up the damn phone and call Kennth Mason in Martinsburg, WV.

    Or, I can put you in touch with the ATF Compliance Officer I spent 5 hours with the other week.
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    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in “On Crimes and Punishment”, 1764

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    Did they specify how you had to engrave your name? Full name or first initial/lastname....

    The problem with regulatory agencies. New boss often means they have the latitude to re-interpret the regulatory polices of the previous boss. One reason the NFA rules are so hard for us ordinary folk to figure out.
    Yes in the letter i was told what to put in the h box and it was my complete trust with no abbreviations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoby View Post
    Hmac

    Not trying to start anything
    Nor am I. But NFA is a confusing landscape with seemingly wide variability in rules and enforcement. The law itself is vague, and apparently there are many aspects subject to regulatory interpretation. My conversation with Dana Pickles on my last SBR about a year ago told me that first initial and last name was fine, and that form was approved. He had me change a couple of things on my application form, but not the way the name was engraved. Certainly there could be a change in policy in that interval. But you're right...before I submit another Form 1, I'll call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoby View Post
    Even though Title 27 CFR Chaper II, part 479.102, (a), (2), (iii) states that "Your name (or recognized abbreviation)", city and state (state can be abbreviated) should be engraved on the receiver or the barrel. Current supervision in Martinsburg does not allow an abbreviation in the name.
    As I understand it currently the ATF only "recognizes" USPS abbreviations or a Manufacturer's abbreviation with an approved variance.

    If your approved Form 1 has "J Doe" in 4H I would also personally consider it "recognized".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd.K View Post
    As I understand it currently the ATF only "recognizes" USPS abbreviations or a Manufacturer's abbreviation with an approved variance.

    If your approved Form 1 has "J Doe" in 4H I would also personally consider it "recognized".


    I would too Todd but, apparently the person currently in charge does not.
    Scoby


    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”Thomas Jefferson, quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria in “On Crimes and Punishment”, 1764

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