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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVAN View Post
    Not to be too pedantic about it, and not really in disagreement with anyone, but from ATF Form 1 instructions, under section 1. Definitions:


    Thank you for the clarification.

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    Makes you wonder what other bad information they are putting out.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KimberFan View Post
    You are "manufacturing" a SBR with the Form 1, and must engrave it. This is why the form has a "Box h."
    I put nothing in box "H" except 6.8mm as I was looking at a 12.5" upper at the time (SBR is a 10.5" 5.56)

    This is a direct quote from the instructions page of the form 1 concerning box H:

    h. Serial Numbers and other Markings. If an existing firearm is being
    modified into an NFA firearm, enter the existing serial number of the firearm
    into item 4g and the name and address of the original manufacturer into item
    4a. Do not Alter or Modify the Existing Serial Number. If the NFA
    firearm is being made from parts, your name and address are to be entered
    into 4a and a serial number you create is to be entered into item 4g


    So all of you who insist on engraving your lowers, did you enter what you engraved in box 4a?

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    You see what I'm saying? Thing can be read either way and everywhere I look, some say yes, some say no.

    I think I will err on the side of caution and engrave it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by infidelprodigy View Post
    I put nothing in box "H" except 6.8mm as I was looking at a 12.5" upper at the time (SBR is a 10.5" 5.56)

    This is a direct quote from the instructions page of the form 1 concerning box H:

    h. Serial Numbers and other Markings. If an existing firearm is being
    modified into an NFA firearm, enter the existing serial number of the firearm
    into item 4g and the name and address of the original manufacturer into item
    4a. Do not Alter or Modify the Existing Serial Number. If the NFA
    firearm is being made from parts, your name and address are to be entered
    into 4a and a serial number you create is to be entered into item 4g


    So all of you who insist on engraving your lowers, did you enter what you engraved in box 4a?
    Um...what Form 1 are you using? Box 4c is for caliber. Any lower you buy that has a factory serial number would call for placement of that # in 4g. Not sure what you are referring to with "(SBR is a 10.5" 5.56)" Also, your instructions for box h are not for box h. Box 4a is for the original manufacturers information. If you are SBR'ing a BCM, then BCM's name and address would go in 4a.
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    Quote Originally Posted by infidelprodigy View Post
    I put nothing in box "H" except 6.8mm as I was looking at a 12.5" upper at the time (SBR is a 10.5" 5.56)

    This is a direct quote from the instructions page of the form 1 concerning box H:

    h. Serial Numbers and other Markings. If an existing firearm is being
    modified into an NFA firearm, enter the existing serial number of the firearm
    into item 4g and the name and address of the original manufacturer into item
    4a. Do not Alter or Modify the Existing Serial Number. If the NFA
    firearm is being made from parts, your name and address are to be entered
    into 4a and a serial number you create is to be entered into item 4g


    So all of you who insist on engraving your lowers, did you enter what you engraved in box 4a?
    Box 4H is where you would enter what it is that you're going to have engraved on the receiver - the name, city, state of the "maker", which is you.
    Last edited by Hmac; 02-21-12 at 17:17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimberFan View Post
    Um...what Form 1 are you using? Box 4c is for caliber. Any lower you buy that has a factory serial number would call for placement of that # in 4g. Not sure what you are referring to with "(SBR is a 10.5" 5.56)" Also, your instructions for box h are not for box h. Box 4a is for the original manufacturers information. If you are SBR'ing a BCM, then BCM's name and address would go in 4a.
    Look at page 3 of the 4 page packet that is a standard form 1. I simply cut and pasted the instructions for box h. I never mentioned box 4c at any point. the phrase "10.5" 5.56" was just as a reference for what my SBR is and why the only thing I listed in box h was "6.8mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmac View Post
    Box 4H is where you would enter what it is that you're going to have engraved on the receiver - the name, city, state of the "maker", which is you.
    And I did not do that and the NFA branch approved my Form 1 a year ago now. The only thing listed in my box h is "6.8mm" on a whim I thought I might have another caliber.

    The ATF didn't blink an eye that I didn't list my name or address in box H.

    Again I ask, where does it IMPLICITLY state that you must engrave and that what you engrave MUST be listed in box H of a Form 1. All the rules I have seen in regards to engraving comes from the rulebook for NFA manufacturers or dealers.
    Last edited by infidelprodigy; 02-21-12 at 18:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infidelprodigy View Post
    Look at page 3 of the 4 page packet that is a standard form 1. I simply cut and pasted the instructions for box h. I never mentioned box 4c at any point. the phrase "10.5" 5.56" was just as a reference for what my SBR is and why the only thing I listed in box h was "6.8mm.
    My understanding from reading the manual is that you, as the person assembling a SBR from a ready made lower, must include the original manufacturer info (as already on the lower), as well as your info, since you're turning it into the SBR.

    6.2.1 "The serial number must be engraved or stamped on the receiver of the firearm and the caliber, model,
    and identification of the maker must be engraved on the barrel or frame or receiver of the weapon.96 The
    marking and identification requirements for a maker are the same as for a manufacturer.
    Refer to
    section 7.4 for a detailed discussion of the requirements."
    Last edited by NoveskeFan; 02-21-12 at 19:25.
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    Quote Originally Posted by infidelprodigy View Post
    And I did not do that and the NFA branch approved my Form 1 a year ago now. The only thing listed in my box h is "6.8mm" on a whim I thought I might have another caliber.

    The ATF didn't blink an eye that I didn't list my name or address in box H.

    Again I ask, where does it IMPLICITLY state that you must engrave and that what you engrave MUST be listed in box H of a Form 1. All the rules I have seen in regards to engraving comes from the rulebook for NFA manufacturers or dealers.
    You can read the NFA in its entirety, or a synopsis and a clarification via the NFA Handbook. There really isnt a question that the
    maker of the SBR needs to to engrave. And just because your Form 1 was approved with an empty box 4H doesnt relieve you of the responsibility to do so according to the law.

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