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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonM View Post
    No 'free lunch' with mini cans... they are still quite loud. That said, for the size and weight, the sound/concussion versus unsuppressed is still improved.

    I prefer the full-size performance and will deal with the extra inch or two and handful of ounces.
    I don't know. I shot the **** out of a friend's new OPS M4S on a 10.5" over the weekend and I'm going to buy one a month for a while. It was MUCH quieter than I expected - I was expecting something like an XM177 moderator, and it was much closer to my M4-96D or HALO than it was to the XM177 unit (and I had one of those right there for comparison purposes.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuietShootr View Post
    I don't know. I shot the **** out of a friend's new OPS M4S on a 10.5" over the weekend and I'm going to buy one a month for a while. It was MUCH quieter than I expected - I was expecting something like an XM177 moderator, and it was much closer to my M4-96D or HALO than it was to the XM177 unit (and I had one of those right there for comparison purposes.)
    I'm not saying the improvement isn't awesome, but you do pay for the size and weight in performance.

    If you go into it expecting it to be incredibly loud, you should be pleasantly surprised. But if you go into it thinking it'll be quiet, you'll be disappointed.

    The 177 may be a 'silencer' according to the ATF, but it doesn't seem like one during use.

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    I run 3 guns suppressed all the time. If I shot with 5 guys and no Cans, I would pull them off for the day.
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    Does the ATF accept money orders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rapomstage3 View Post
    Does the ATF accept money orders?
    Yes they do

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    I did mine by money order. What the wife doesn't see the wife doesn't know about Writing a check would have been a dead giveaway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonM View Post
    I'm not saying the improvement isn't awesome, but you do pay for the size and weight in performance.

    If you go into it expecting it to be incredibly loud, you should be pleasantly surprised. But if you go into it thinking it'll be quiet, you'll be disappointed.

    The 177 may be a 'silencer' according to the ATF, but it doesn't seem like one during use.
    No, it sure doesn't. Informally, to me, it makes a 11.5" sound more like a 20", which still isn't quiet but certainly is more pleasant than a bare 11.5". The OPS M4S on a 10.5" LMT was entirely satisfactory for what I want out of a 5.56 can, and you really can't beat the price.

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    I shoot my 11.5" almost exclusively with the can on, even though it's a heavy AAC 762SD. The AAC 2-baffle brake mount is brutal without the can. With it, it's still loud but much less "blasty".

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    My ears are worth a pretty decent amount of cash right now, which would justify my cans in it's own right.

    The biggest item for me is being able to communicate if needed over a radio if I'm having to use that weapon in anger, followed by simply less obnoxious concussion or hearing damage if I have to fire one indoors.

    I'm not that impressed with the volume of the M4S on my 10.5", but running it under an awning I really did start to see the difference. The 14th is better by a huge margin, but that compact can will end up on my 16" rifle where I'll be much happier.

    The last one I'm not sure about because I haven't had the luxury of running IR equipment on a suppressed rifle - I understand that 5 grand and two pounds of crap isn't the most attractive, but the capability provided by that complete setup was too hard for me to ignore.
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    Can someone tell me exactly how long I have to own a suppressor, use it under varying conditions, itemize both it's strengths and weaknesses, and categorize the opportunity costs associated with it before I can get the "all clear" that the decision I made is backed up by my own firsthand experience and extensive evaluation?

    I can only relate my experience. I can't pretend to speak for every person who feels they "wasted money" or "wasted time" by purchasing a suppressor.

    I've shot indoors and outdoors solo, and with teams, and in every case, shooting suppressed was far superior.

    Again, if you can clear a house with a stock 6920 (16.x" bbl), you can clear a house with a 15.x" suppressed SBR just as well, and communicate better with your spouse, children or teammates.

    I can't account for everyone, but my personal evaluation, over a decade, says that I have not made a mistake, no matter how many internuts try to tell me I did.

    What my personal evaluation and testing tells me, again, over a decade:

    (15" - 8lbs - quiet) > (16" - 7lbs - loud)

    Sorry if anyone, or anyone's friends and loved ones disagree with me.
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