The One Gun Solution (GP Carbine) - Reality?

[Wake27]

I invaded Iraq in 2003: I setup most of the maritime ops in the south for the invasion. Worked with our SPECOPS teams and allied in Southcom, Eucom, Centcom, and Pacom from many nations. I have six years working in and around hostile environments and twice that many years doing JTF maritime stuff. None of that makes me an expert at small arms platforms but I was in fact a small arms threat expert. I was trained in NAB by what was at the time Blackwater contractors and some other fleet training groups. My first armorer's course was in 2008, and was taught by Izzy of Bushmaster. He was taught by Stoner and Sullivan: I spent time with Sullivan and other talented folks, on a number of occasions. I have worked on several projects involving prototype testing, loadouts, and theorized a superior .24/.25 AR cartridge in 2008 when everyone laughed at anything not .30 or .22

I agree with you on vehicle use: I would use a 10" for vehicles myself or a pistol. I figured OP might open his mind to the reality that a 12.5" is not ideal as a one carbine solution for the reasons I explained. It's certainly a good utility carbine that can do the majority of practical stuff as you mention. Don't get me wrong I am not trolling: I believe we are better served to have multiple platforms that are better suited for the tasks. A pistol secondary for vehicles and a 14.5+" carbine. I understand the suppressor size constraints: not sure how practical a suppressor is if you are returning fire from inside a vehicle? Signature reduction at that point with a 12.5" is going to be deafening none the less. So maybe a suppressed subgun or pistol? I used MP5N/SDs in small metal shipboard spaces they excel at that environment. I have an SPR that is lethal inside 1800 meters and considering "we" are trained to use the "extent" of our platform... I live around small mountains with plenty of downward vantages that exceed 2000 meters in Maine. It would be a shame to have a 12.5" and think it was good enough: I often cannot identify objects without magnification here: meaning 12.5" would be obsolete. I could not drop a whitetail with a 12.5" across one of the fields ethically but my SPR would do it at 18" with my federal trophy cartridges. So many stereotypes being brought up here. Everyone has opinions, but can your opinions walk the walk?

Yeah and I’m currently assigned to an active duty special operations unit. Guess what? No one cares. In this realm, unless you’ve actually shot people with the tools we’re discussing, most experience means very little. My 12.5 has a 10x scope on it so I can see pretty well. Pistols and subguns suck at killing people. We’ve known that for some time. I’d rather give up some maneuverability over a pistol in CQB and potentially lethal effects on target at over 400 and still dominate terminal ballistics and accuracy for everything in between. So 12.5 with solid LPVO seems as close to “do all” as it gets, which is the whole point of this thread.


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