US Capitol Police Have Killed Female Protester, Deploying Tear Gas, Capitol Breached.

[OH58D]

Tucumcari it is then! I know that’s closer and I can land there.

You must be a General Aviation Pilot? Tucumcari -4070 altitude and TCC sports a High Altitude Vortac at 113.6, right on the east side of the facility.

[SteyrAUG]

A bona fide "insurrection" was 1861-1865. This wasn't even an asshair on an actual "insurrection".

I've heard people try and call it a legit coup, like they were gonna march in and start a new government the way the Russians did 100 years ago.

[SteyrAUG]

So who was not certifying the vote, but switched after?

Perhaps a dozen Republicans who wanted an investigation.

[SteyrAUG]

There was no plan because there was no conspiracy. They did even know they’d be allowed up to the building, much less inside. So when that happened they didn’t even know what to do.

Not so with BLM and Antifa. Those are criminal conspiracies and in most cases, coordinated with people on the inside, and supported by an entire network of financiers, legal professionals and propaganda outlets. If DoJ wanted they could build the biggest RICO cases in US history on those organizations, to include perp walking Soros himself.

They don’t because they don’t want to. I wouldn’t doubt for a second that they have advisers from Main Justice telling them exactly what the “do not cross” lines are. Grandmaster Jay or whatever his name is didn’t follow those rules and that’s why he got arrested.

Here’s another area where I don’t doubt DoJ is “advising” in this 5GW. Twitter and Facebook banned Trump and I’m sure that was a suggested course of action. No big deal, Trump jumps over to Parler and it’s business as usual, right? Wrong. Before the sun could even set, Google shut the Parler app down in their store, and Apple has given them 24 hours to put a moderation platform in place or be deplatformed as well.

I would bet the far that DoJ is driving that train. Why? Because they already did it before! Remember Operation Choke Point? Yeah, the dots should be connecting now. They don’t need a law because they have both criminal and civil power over tech companies. Don’t want us up your ass with a microscope? Then play ball.

If you have conservative viewpoints and express them on the internet, you’re a domestic threat to be managed. They’re going to deplatform all of us eventually, if we refuse to come in line. This entire forum could be blacklisted with a few keystrokes. They intend to drive us underground and cut us off from the information systems.

They’re going to do the same financially as well. Do you realize all they have to do is set up a blacklist and if you so much as use a credit or debit card at one of those companies, they could close your accounts? What will you do then? Employers no longer have the ability to pay in cash. If you don’t have direct deposit most of them have trouble with so much as cutting you a check. Then with a bank account, how do you cash it? You pay through the nose for payroll check cashing services. What about all your bills? Now you gotta buy money orders and mail them.

With a few keystrokes they can literally send you 30 years back in time. You aren’t going to have time to plan an actual insurgency because you’ll be busy just trying to survive. The point is that by the time it seems like it’s time to break stuff and shake people, it’s going to be too late. They’ve already completely convinced the world that all those people walking around the Capitol the other day with dazed and confused looks on their faces because they can’t even believe they got in, are domestic terrorists who tried to overthrow the government and commit a coup.

How hard do you think it will be to do everything I’ve outlined above?

Yeah, that first part I gotta agree with. Not sure everything else you suggested probably happened, but I don't say that I can say with any certainty that it couldn't have possibly happened that way.

You have some cogent points.

[SteyrAUG]

OH58,

Thank you. I agree with you and I have my thoughts on the whole Capitol thing. I am just a regular citizen and never served in the military.

Pretty much where I'm at.

Too bad he wasn't leading the crowd that day. I get people are angry, but don't get manipulated.

[glocktogo]

Yeah, that first part I gotta agree with. Not sure everything else you suggested probably happened, but I don't say that I can say with any certainty that it couldn't have possibly happened that way.

You have some cogent points.

Yeah it’s mostly a theory, but one born of much study on how the world works in this era. We rarely get the conspirators on the Sunday morning talk show circuit explaining how it all works. We find out after they’ve lied to Congress under Oath, and get away with it anyway once the records break cover.

I don’t have any faith that Trump will do anything worthwhile in the next week and a half, but it sure would be nice if he dumped all the secrets once and for all. Just let the chips fall where they may.

[SteyrAUG]

I don’t have any faith that Trump will do anything worthwhile in the next week and a half, but it sure would be nice if he dumped all the secrets once and for all. Just let the chips fall where they may.

Wouldn't matter. He's effectively been characterized as deliberately inciting a violent incident. Trump is now politically irrelevant. Even if everything he says and does for the next month is 100% absolutely true, it won't matter because it will be associated with this event and rejected in whole.

[TomMcC]

Yeah it’s mostly a theory, but one born of much study on how the world works in this era. We rarely get the conspirators on the Sunday morning talk show circuit explaining how it all works. We find out after they’ve lied to Congress under Oath, and get away with it anyway once the records break cover.

I don’t have any faith that Trump will do anything worthwhile in the next week and a half, but it sure would be nice if he dumped all the secrets once and for all. Just let the chips fall where they may.

I wonder if there is anyone left who would actually obey his orders outside of Sec State Pompeo. Lots of mutiny going on.

[okie]

Both sides of Congress + the VP were there. It only is more secure when POTUS address both sides of congress like SOTU.

How this happened is beyond comprehension. They literally should have had CAP, snipers and AA batteries at the ready. anti drone, radiation sensors, everything should have been there. The perimeter should have been hundreds of yards out.

They did not even have an evacuation plan.....

What I find most difficult to believe is how they were able to come up with such eloquent speeches on the fly while supposedly cowering in place. Not that I would suggest that those speeches were pre written, because that would be tinfoily.

[okie]

Rules of Engagement, UOF continuum, UOF Policy, Department Policy, call it whatever you want. Semantics in no way changes the argument.

It's a little more than semantics. It's the law that defines when cops can shoot, as with any of us, whereas rules of engagement are defined by policy and international law and treaty.

Use of force laws all stem from common law. You're allowed to use deadly force to protect life and limb, and rarely property, based on what a reasonable person would/should know at the time. There has to be motive, means, and opportunity. For that shot to be protected under the law, the officer would have to have reason to believe that the woman coming through that door meant to do serious harm to the people inside. And of course nothing the protesters had done up to that point suggested they were violent.

What happened is he shot someone because of the very low risk that they might be violent, without really having any reason to think so. Essentially saying that the lives of the congressmen are so valuable that innocent people have to be gunned down for non violent offenses, just in case.

We on the other hand, when being chased by an obviously violent and armed mob, cannot use deadly force without risking jail. That's the fundamental problem here. They're operating under one set of laws when it comes to their own lives, but forcing us to operate under another set. That's anathema to a nation that is built on the idea that all men are created equal. Either we all have a right to be secure in our persons and property, or none of us do.