Originally Posted by
DirectTo
To steal from your signature: No dude is going to get shot in the chest at 300 yards and look down and say "What is that, a 3 MOA group?"
No dude is going to get shot in the chest with a .32 or .380 and shrug it off because it wasn’t a 9x19 or .45.
The problem is Ive personally seen the smaller rounds not work in actual shootings. Sure a straight on chest shot they will probably penetrate enough but you dont always get good straight on shots.
I remember one shooting at a bar where a guy took a 380 hollow point in the stomach at arms length distance. The victim was a construction worker so he was in fairly okay shape but had a bit of a beer belly. 6 foot tall and around 190 pounds.
the bullet hit him at a slight angle from the front towards the side. The bullet had okay expansion but stopped after penetrating about 6 inches into his love handle. Only went through skin and fat. Er cut open the skin near the bullet, pulled it out, cleaned thr wound, packed it with medical gauze, and he was out of the hospital in a couple hours.
Ive also seen 380 stop inside forearms after either hitting the bone or going in at an odd angle.
I know these things also happen with the duty calibers but Ive never seen it and Ive seen a lot more people shot with the duty calibers than I have with the "mouse guns". The only time I have seen the duty calibers have little penetration is hitting the bigger bones of the arms and legs or the frontal areas of the skull. Even then the bullet tends to shatter those bones.
Examples. A couple coworkers got into a shootout with a chick and one nailed her in the shoulder from a side profile shot. The 230 +P HST 45 hit the upper part of the humerous right were it attaches to the shoulder. It shattered the bone and the bullet ended up on the other side in the arm pit area. Another coworker got shot in the thigh with a 9mm and it shattered her femur causing her to fall down some stairs and causing a compound fracture. She needed multiple surgeries and months of physical therapy. Another case had a tweeker get shot with a 380 FMJ in the arm. Direct center hit through the bicep which direct hits the humerous and stopped. Broke the bone but not seriously and didnt penetrate through the bone. Didnt even require a tourniquet.
C co 1/30th Infantry Regiment
3rd Brigade 3rd Infantry Division
2002-2006
OIF 1 and 3
IraqGunz:
No dude is going to get shot in the chest at 300 yards and look down and say "What is that, a 3 MOA group?"
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