Springfield's "Hellion" bullpup

**The Dumb Gun Collector** · 01-16-22, 13:13

I don't think this is going to be an AR-15 replacement except for someone who is just dedicated to doing something different. To me this is more a gun lover/collector's gun. Nothing wrong with this since, honestly, every gun most people buy past a basic AR, 870 or J-frame/Shield is pretty much a toy . It is likely Springfield didn't do anything to hurt the gun since it appears they brought it in an faux sporter configuration and just put some 922R parts on it (the way FN did with the SCAR back when they still came from Europe). I think this will likely be a cool piece much like an AK,Tavor, AUG, FS2000, FNC, etc. And there is also a reasonable chance this gun will not be imported forever and then will be even more interesting.

Originally Posted by TheGhostRider

Agree with the above 100%

I have an X95 that I've become very fond of with one exception... support parts availability. I always want to have spare springs, firing pins, bolts... wear items that can fail. So far I can't get them... been waiting a long time for the bolt kits and such to come back in stock. This is my only real complaint about my little green machine.
Sooo...
If Springfield can bring this pup in without dicking it up mechanically affecting durability/reliability and can provide support parts for it I might find myself a player.
If it is a true copy of the military/combat proven gun... minus the giggle switch... it might be worth the chance. The price is pretty high though so the gun had better meet expectations.
If we allowed the automotive industry to treat us the way the gun industry does... as guinea pigs... there would be a lot of wrecks along the sides of the road.

**556Cliff** · 01-16-22, 13:16

I'm not into bull pups in the least and I'm not a fan of Springfield Armory, but for some reason I'm intrigued by this one. Seems to be better thought out than all the other bull pups or something... I can't quite put my finger on it.

Or maybe it's just catching my attention because it's so HK G36 like in bull pup form. I know if I bought it I'd probably hate it because it's a bull pup, but I might just have to try this one.

**The Dumb Gun Collector** · 01-16-22, 13:17

Absolutely. I was wondering if I might be able to source on of the G36 magwells to make it even more exotic. It is apparently a simple swap.

Originally Posted by 556Cliff

I'm not into bull pups in the least and I'm not a fan of Springfield Armory, but for some reason I'm intrigued by this one. Seems to be better thought out than all the other bull pups or something... I can't quite put my finger on it.

Or maybe it's just catching my attention because it's so HK G36 like in bull pup form.

**556Cliff** · 01-16-22, 13:21

Originally Posted by Greg Bell

Absolutely. I was wondering if I might be able to source on of the G36 magwells to make it even more exotic. It is apparently a simple swap.

Definitely, the G36 mags would be a must have for this I'd think. I hate that Springfield had to go and "Americanize" it. That seems to happen with all foreign military rifle designs when they bring them over here.

**The Dumb Gun Collector** · 01-16-22, 14:04

Agreed. When I want an AR-15 I buy an AR-15. Of course, I am in the minority so Springfield was probably smart to do this.

Originally Posted by 556Cliff

Definitely, the G36 mags would be a must have for this I'd think. I hate that Springfield had to go and "Americanize" it. That seems to happen with all foreign military rifle designs when they bring them over here.

**Clint** · 01-16-22, 14:33

Well, at least it has a two position gas piston regulator for Suppressed and Normal use.

Also a bonus it takes AR grips and PMAGs.

**556Cliff** · 01-16-22, 14:58

Originally Posted by Greg Bell

Agreed. When I want an AR-15 I buy an AR-15. Of course, I am in the minority so Springfield was probably smart to do this.

Honestly, looking at the Springfield offering compared to the real thing from HS-Produkt it's not actually changed too much. Other than the differences in the magwell, the VHS-K2 doesn't seem to have swap-able grip ability, different style trigger guard, handguard with pic rails and the barrels have an odd fluting for improved heat dissipation (guessing).

Springfield could have messed it up worse I suppose. And really, the worst thing they did to it is the name IMO.

**titsonritz** · 01-16-22, 15:09

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Need a HellFire something for goober trifecta.

How does Ron Cohen find the time to run SIG USA into the ground and still be able to consult with Springfield marketing?

A 12ga to go with the other two for a three gun setup, the Hellspawn trio.