Re-opening the muzzle brake can of worms.

[kerplode]

I have exactly one rifle with a brake and I hate that shit. I'd change it, but it's an old SiCo Trifecta MAAD that's glued on with Rocksett and I just don't feel like arsing with it.

But if the can is not on that rifle, it wears a blast deflector.

My 375 Ruger Guide Gun came with a brake from the factory. I took that shit off after one outing. Sure, it helped recoil, but the blast wave was like getting slapped in the face and it made my ears buzz through plugs and muffs. Eff that noise...Literally. I'll just man up and learn to ride the recoil.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I’m starting to realize that some of my gun ‘tech’ is 20 years old…

[Ned Christiansen]

The one on the bottom right is The Obnoxionator, a Mini Y Comp shoved into a JP Recoil Eliminator, then silver-brazed in place. Very effective as a brake but you can't stand to shoot it. It's about like shooting a McMillan .50 with the big brake on it. Next is the one I used to make. The rest folks probably recognize. The KX5 and Witt Machine SME are a few of the only devices that actually help more than they hurt, standard FH's being the baseline. The BRT is another. The funny looking FH is a standard one that I have whittled on to try and minimize the weight.

[Diamondback]

Ned, back when I was trying to to set up a Mk 18-based pistol for Bump In The Night I had been thinking of an AFAB or EFAB with a blast shield around it (BFD for compactness since a cop buddy and I had a bet about "try to fit a Serious PDW AR in a laptop case WITH all the computer gear, but for bedside with the luxury of space I'd go SME) due to my very light sensitive eyes - if I have to pull a trigger in my house I might as well be popping a flashbang grenade for the sensory disruption. Any thoughts about what kind of flash suppression you'd use if you had to see the world through my eyes?

Also, IIRC I tried to send you an update on the SMC Longslide 1911 a while back through the email on M-Guns but it didn't seem to work. DM me a good point of contact if you're willing to take a look, please? (Trigger and action-group are selected, they and slide are pending funding, ejector selection is now the sticky part.)

[tangolima]

I don't like brakes. But some of my rifles have built-in brakes that I can't remove. Egyptian Hakim is one. It is loud. I wonder how the Egyptian could use it in infantry units. After a fire fight the whole platoon must be deaf.

Sure a brake can enable me to put in a quicker followup shot. But I can't afford shooting so fast. Ammo is expensive.

Linear comp / flash can help with the noise a little bit. I just don't see how they can reduce recoil. I am moving more and more towards thread protectors. Muzzle devices cake carbon residue on the crown. It will become no good for business sooner or later.

A suppressor? Nah the numb nuts in our state capitol will allow me to have one.

-TL

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[T2C]

As Sinister pointed out, shooting a 16" carbine indoors can be an unpleasant experience for those of us who value our hearing. I've trained inside of houses that were scheduled to be razed and without a muzzle brake the sound can be deafening in a tight space. I fired a few rounds through a carbine with a brake and the experience was noticeably more unpleasant.

[markm]

As Sinister pointed out, shooting a 16" carbine indoors can be an unpleasant experience for those of us who value our hearing. I've trained inside of houses that were scheduled to be razed and without a muzzle brake the sound can be deafening in a tight space. I fired a few rounds through a carbine with a brake and the experience was noticeably more unpleasant.

I did this with a 5.56 suppressor on a 14.5" and it was still VERY loud. I chuckle at the movie portrayal of the Bin Ladin raid. It's WAY louder than that.

[Ned Christiansen]

I have not fired subsonic 5.56 but surely it is the only path to anything near hearing safe and I doubt it's "great", plus, it's really not 5.56 any more.

A suppressed 9 with subsonic ammo, or .300 Whisper, oops I mean BLK, about as good as it gets. I think.

When the trend toward 5.56 for entry started I tried to shout "what about the noise" but that was a speck of dust in the wind. I restarted my interest in .300 Whisper-- this was before the .300 BLK came out-- and worked at finding 200's, 220' 240's that would give terminal ballistics better than being like a pointed piece if steel rod but at that time there was little to nothing. The 240 Outlaw was the best I found. I even tried a duplex load of a 110 Sierra HP plus an M1 carbine FMJ backwards behind it-- both held by the case neck-- that actually had some possibilities I thought, but there was no real audience for this and of course no funding but my own pocket. Not whining here, it was fun and I learned a few things but 5.56 was a-rollin'. My thought was that even without a can, .300 W subs are less damaging to the hearing and are pretty compatible with shorter barrels.

[sinister]

Police departments started mimicking military units by going to M4geries because, well, Delta and Seal Team 6.

In most cases because "That's what the best carry."

Except cops don't normally have to fight their way into or out of a target site or complex.

MP-5s and MP5SDs were no longer the deal because ... (pick one):

they shoot pistol bullets;

an SD is the equivalent of shooting .380s;

I can afford to own a carbine.

If you know you're going to fight inside a building why not use a suppressed sub?

[SteyrAUG]

Police departments started mimicking military units by going to M4geries because, well, Delta and Seal Team 6.

In most cases because "That's what the best carry."

Except cops don't normally have to fight their way into or out of a target site or complex.

MP-5s and MP5SDs were no longer the deal because ... (pick one):

they shoot pistol bullets;

an SD is the equivalent of shooting .380s;

I can afford to own a carbine.

If you know you're going to fight inside a building why not use a suppressed sub?

MP5SDs were a 1970s solution. MP5A2s with an add on can shooting 147s are the way to go.

As for PDs, I think when the FBI went from MP5s to M4s based on the materials tests, everyone followed along. Also carbines finally got down to MP5 size platforms.