Maybe, but again, how do you know? How can you know?Originally Posted by jsbhike
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Maybe, but again, how do you know? How can you know?
"Do you need to be told that even such modest attainments as you boast of in the way of polite society will hardly survive the Faith to which they owe their significance?"
T.S. Eliot, Choruses from the Rock
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If you are asking if I have engaged in the practice the answer is no. I have conversed with people in other states without standing within arms length of them and have experienced bleed over from other communications so it would seem to just be a few steps beyond that to make it happen on tapping in to US communications without being on US soil.
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No, that is not what I am asking.
Are you here claiming that Israel is not spying on the US in the US on US soil?Just like China and Russia, Vietnam is a very active player in Cyber theft, targeting US companies. They are no friends of ours.
Should we then treat Israel as a foreign adversary?
https://www.businessinsider.com/isra...ls-2014-5?IR=T
"Do you need to be told that even such modest attainments as you boast of in the way of polite society will hardly survive the Faith to which they owe their significance?"
T.S. Eliot, Choruses from the Rock
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It is quite possible although I am not sure it is really necessary. What I was pointing out was how adamant they were about not spying while on us soil and while in the United States and hell being on us soil would not even remotely be necessary to spy on the United States.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard
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I recall that making the news over 30 years ago. That may have been necessary then, but maybe not so much so now.
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As one who has been to Hanoi to retrieve our fallen (operation homecoming- as written on my orders), I have to side with Mr. Aug on this one. And my brother was in Special Forces over there and is suffering his slow death from both sides (agent orange victim) so I say f'm.
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What would you say to your colleagues who have gone back over to make peace with the Vietnamese and tour the battlefields? I'm not choosing your side or their side, just curious on what kind of dialogue you would have with them. I know that this is a very touchy subject with the veterans who were there. I think it's very difficult. I also think as the Vietnam generation starts passing on, it'll become easier to normalize relations.
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I would say nothing to them. They have a right to their opinion and they earned it. To the others that have not been there, Americans are very notorious for short memories and dismissive of the past. Something most cultures are derisive of the U.S. for. For instance, how many Americans do you know that don’t understand why Russians dislike America for invading Russia? How many Americans do you know that we invaded Russia? Do you even know that? I can guarantee you that Russians that grew up in the USSR certainly do.
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The only opinions that matter to me are those of the people who served in Vietnam.
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