9mm Subgun Viable for Home Defense?

[Iraqgunz]

Apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I am not talking about "hearing" gun shots. I am talking about hearing a gun shot and being able to accurately pinpoint where it came from.

I’m glad you saw that one time, but it doesn’t make fine motor skills nonsense. I don’t even know what to say to that comment. If we are basing things on anecdotal evidence, I have seen LEO qualifying with shotguns and ARs for years with MANY more induced AR malfunctions.

It’s all just opinion anyway. My opinion is that a shotgun is better in the hands of the majority of people (not everyone).

And I just saw your other comment about hearing. You are giving some bad info today brother. Do you know how many times police he called to scenes due to people hearing gunshots? Some of you guys need to get out of the boxes you’ve built.

[Iraqgunz]

Exactly.

Before everyone gets in a $&@ contest, go back and read the last page again. The discussion of sound had to do with a suppressed weapon firing pistol rounds. So DarkTemplars was concerned that his neighbor may not call the cops, from not recognizing (or hearing) the sound. And IG noted that it is sometimes difficult to know the exact location of the shots fired based on sound, which is absolutely true. I don’t think anyone was saying anything too crazy.

[Apexodus]

Well I must say, that you must have the best hearing in the world, because I can't imagine neighbors being able to relay to someone where gunfire came from when it is indoors. In fact it would be pretty amazing to be honest considering that even gunfire outdoors that is relatively close would be hard to detect.

My reading comprehension is fine, this is a direct response to someone saying a loud gunshot could also offer the benefit of someone calling 911. Must be a lot of people with the best hearing in the world, because people reporting gun shots with LEO response is a regular occurrence. Lol

[DarkTemplars]

Well I must say, that you must have the best hearing in the world, because I can't imagine neighbors being able to relay to someone where gunfire came from when it is indoors. In fact it would be pretty amazing to be honest considering that even gunfire outdoors that is relatively close would be hard to detect.

I could care less what gets confiscated and for how long, if I can wake up the next morning and breath air.

Come live in my apartment. I can tell when my neighbors are having arguments. And that's after 29 years of aircraft maintenance. Knowing that a gun just went off won't be an issue.

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[Iraqgunz]

I guess you still don't get it. Gunshots fired indoors thereby masking their origins. Someone hears a few pops and calls the police. What do you think the first question is going to be? Sir/Ma'am, where exactly did the shots come from? Well I don't know somewhere in my neighborhood. Not really sure to be honest. The whole reasoning behind not using one as some type of bat signal to the nosy neighbors is absurd.

My reading comprehension is fine, this is a direct response to someone saying a loud gunshot could also offer the benefit of someone calling 911. Must be a lot of people with the best hearing in the world, because people reporting gun shots with LEO response is a regular occurrence. Lol

[Iraqgunz]

Apartment with thin walls, in other words unique to your particular situation and not all situations across the board.

Come live in my apartment. I can tell when my neighbors are having arguments. And that's after 29 years of aircraft maintenance. Knowing that a gun just went off won't be an issue.

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[Apexodus]

I guess you still don't get it. Gunshots fired indoors thereby masking their origins. Someone hears a few pops and calls the police. What do you think the first question is going to be? Sir/Ma'am, where exactly did the shots come from? Well I don't know somewhere in my neighborhood. Not really sure to be honest. The whole reasoning behind not using one as some type of bat signal to the nosy neighbors is absurd.

Lol ok man, one of us for sure isn’t getting it. I’m not going to keep explaining it to an SME

[wtm75]

Experienced shooters in 3 gun matches short stroke pumps all the time. A novice shooter cannot be expected to do any better under stress.

For my wife, all she has to worry about is disengaging the safety with her thumb and pressing the trigger. That's it until the carbine goes dry. While she isn't experienced to drop the magazine with one finger like a boss and insert the next one before the dropped one hits the ground, she can do it. I couldn't imagine her trying to insert bulky shells with her long fingernails one at a time under stress and putting the shotgun back into action. Not to mention, the excess recoil she doesn't like. With the 9mm PCC, she has no recoil flinch and if need be, we can exchange magazines while I'm working the pistol.

[Beat Trash]

I’ve seen officers short stroke an 870 for years. A shotgun is a viable tool for home defense. But that doesn’t mean that it’s the best tool for home defense. Same with a sub gun or a PCC. They can be a viable gun for home defense. But when compared to a 5.56mm carbine or 11.5” AR pistol, the increase in terminal performance of the 5.56mm over a pistol caliber carbine makes the 5.56 mm or 300 blackout a superior choice.

[MistWolf]

If I were married and my wife had to possibly defend our home, it would be a shotgun.

I am married and knowing my wife, the worst thing I could do is arm her with a shotgun. It would be disastrous. When even experienced shooters find an AR easier to use than a shotgun, why would anyone saddle inexperienced beginners with a 12 gauge?