UPDATE Suspect arrest-Cops ambushed-critical condition-Los Angeles Co sheriff

[mrbieler]

My experience as a high school sports official and dealing with my college age son and his friends is that current group of HS and college age kids are in decent numbers pushing back against the far left crazy group a few years ago that created the safe space phenomenon and are the supplier of most of the mid to late 20 something warm bodies you see in the protests on TV.

[Esq.]

For California, the Republican Party is widely responsible for its own demise here.

The state was pretty solid red through the 80's and early 90's. Then, as immigration from Asia and Latin American spiked in the early 90's, the Republican Party went full tilt anti immigration with Prop 187 instead of trying to find a way to bring immigrants into the party tent. As a result, sentiment quickly shifted and the state went blue.

Then, in 2010~2012 with Schwarzenegger in the governor's seat, the Republicans foolishly went down the jungle primary path and set up a new election system where the top candidates from the primaries, regardless of party, were the ones on the ballot. The Democrats flood the elections with candidates with false "moderate" candidates that split the Republican vote and now in many areas you have to choose between 2 Democrats in the general election.

LA is very liberal, but it's also very individualistic. The Republican Party has been unable to get candidates in LA that connect with that group. By and large, the same holds true in San Diego and Orange County which is why both have slid blue in recent years. San Francisco is a lost cause.

Prop 187 PASSED by the Voters.....59 to 41%...That's what you call a WINNER in politics. Name any other issue, other than outlawing Child Rape that would have that high of a margin, and honestly at this point, Child Rape might be closer.... At that time, California had "only" 1.3 million illegals. Seems to me the GOP saw the writing on the wall and tried to wash it off- you can't let your enemy import huge numbers of people into the state, have little "citizens" and think you are going to be a viable party in 20 years. What the hell SHOULD they have done?

And the whole "win them to our side" strategy is complete almost BULLSHIT. Reagan came the illegals Amnesty. Bush, who has "Latino" members of his family, was his Vice President. When Bush The Elder ran, was he "rewarded" for this support? HELL NO! He got 30%- 7 points less than Reagan. In his second run, he got only 25%. It's somehow a winning strategy to import voters that are typically 2 or even 3 to one AGAINST you? No.

[mrbieler]

Prop 187 PASSED by the Voters.....59 to 41%...That's what you call a WINNER in politics. Name any other issue, other than outlawing Child Rape that would have that high of a margin, and honestly at this point, Child Rape might be closer.... At that time, California had "only" 1.3 million illegals. Seems to me the GOP saw the writing on the wall and tried to wash it off- you can't let your enemy import huge numbers of people into the state, have little "citizens" and think you are going to be a viable party in 20 years. What the hell SHOULD they have done?

And the whole "win them to our side" strategy is complete almost BULLSHIT. Reagan came the illegals Amnesty. Bush, who has "Latino" members of his family, was his Vice President. When Bush The Elder ran, was he "rewarded" for this support? HELL NO! He got 30%- 7 points less than Reagan. In his second run, he got only 25%.

True. It won voter support. And shortly thereafter, the state went blue and hasn't turned back. Win the battle, lose the war. It wasn't a matter of catering to illegals, it was an issue of dealing with the large mexican population that was here legally already. 187 turned them right into Democratic voters.

[jsbhike]

True. It won voter support. And shortly thereafter, the state went blue and hasn't turned back. Win the battle, lose the war. It wasn't a matter of catering to illegals, it was an issue of dealing with the large mexican population that was here legally already. 187 turned them right into Democratic voters.

Not sure about turning anything. I have seen very few legal immigrants(at least ones that weren't dyed in the wool Marxists/communists/fascists/miscellaneous other statists here that may very well fall under the operatives umbrella) that were too keen on someone else getting citizenship as a freebie while they had worked their ass off(and in some cases likely risked their/their families lives) for.

[ZGXtreme]

I used to be angry Oklahoma didn't go after the high tech industries more when they were moving from Cali and other blue states.

I'm pretty happy about it now. I do think they should have made a hard push for Magpul when they abandoned Colorado.

Agreed. Although I’d like to see Stitt target the firearms, aviation industries as well as general manufacturing if we do actually pull some from China (pipe dream). We’ve got the space and the access with 35 and 40 leading throughout the country.

[AKDoug]

My experience as a high school sports official and dealing with my college age son and his friends is that current group of HS and college age kids are in decent numbers pushing back against the far left crazy group a few years ago that created the safe space phenomenon and are the supplier of most of the mid to late 20 something warm bodies you see in the protests on TV.

My sample of two agrees.. I just hired two 18 y.o.'s.. one female, one male. They are both as tired of this current B.S. as I am (50+). Actually I had low expectations of these two and man was I wrong. I'm already trying to figure out how to help with their education so I can keep them with my company. I currently employ 6 people under 25 and zero of them are the special snowflakes people expect of that age group.

[chuckman]

Not sure about turning anything. I have seen very few legal immigrants(at least ones that weren't dyed in the wool Marxists/communists/fascists/miscellaneous other statists here that may very well fall under the operatives umbrella) that were too keen on someone else getting citizenship as a freebie while they had worked their ass off(and in some cases likely risked their/their families lives) for.

Agreed. Almost every immigrant I know who has become a citizen loathes the illegal immigration practices, having done it the right way.

Canadian nurses have some sort of special immigration status, I have worked with many, and almost all of them who choose to not become an American citizen talk pure smack and trash about the US, while blanketing themselves with all the perks. It makes me so angry.

[Diamondback]

Agreed. Almost every immigrant I know who has become a citizen loathes the illegal immigration practices, having done it the right way.

Canadian nurses have some sort of special immigration status, I have worked with many, and almost all of them who choose to not become an American citizen talk pure smack and trash about the US, while blanketing themselves with all the perks. It makes me so angry.

Yeah, we need to stop letting them use us as their jobs-program until they allow us reciprocal access to their job market in return.

The harshest critics of border-jumpers in my social circle are actually a married couple of Mexican heritage whose parents came here the right way--Mr. V. spent his entire career in the Army, retiring as a CSM a few years ago and Mrs. V. worked as a paraeducator alongside my aunt, now doing ESL programs.

[mrbieler]

Not sure about turning anything. I have seen very few legal immigrants(at least ones that weren't dyed in the wool Marxists/communists/fascists/miscellaneous other statists here that may very well fall under the operatives umbrella) that were too keen on someone else getting citizenship as a freebie while they had worked their ass off(and in some cases likely risked their/their families lives) for.

The sentiment in California during the Prop 187 vote was nasty. Legal immigrants get lumped in with illegals in the broad paintbrush. It absolutely pushed voters left. I came to California in 1988. In the 1990's I worked for a maquiladora on the border and was in Tijuana weekly. Things were ugly and very heated.

[john armond]

Back to the subject of offices being ambushed/stalked:

Federal courthouse officer shot in a drive by, I believe, On 9/15/20

Two AZ detectives shot at while sitting in their car this morning. Suspect vehicle pulled up next to them, honked its horn to get their attention, while the suspect vehicle passenger exited the vehicle and began firing a long rifle at the detectives.