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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    If I were king for a month, I'd have legit red light districts including drug clinics where you could affordably buy and use any drug you want, however when you check in, you may not leave while still under the influence of any drugs. If you never leave, that is fine too.

    I would have legalized prostitution in controlled and safe settings, where the girls are subject to regular checkups and customers must also prove they are disease and drug free. 10% state tax would apply.

    I would also have suicide booths where if after meeting with a state qualified psychologist and you still want to check out the necessary drugs for a fast and humane death would be provided.

    And of course I'd have carnival super slides into wood chippers for all the pedophiles, serial killers and the like. Free stadium seating for spectators of course.

    Attorneys would also be subject to prosecution if they knowingly suppress or withhold evidence that proves their client is guilty or the defendant is innocent.

    It would be a different world and of course Popeyes and Chic Fil A would partner to form a new fast food chain called Jesus...Chicken.
    I can get behind this idea. You could call it LandOfTheFreeVille or something.
    It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! ... Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry in an address at St. John’s Church, Richmond, Virginia, on March 23, 1775.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    If I were king for a month, I'd have legit red light districts including drug clinics where you could affordably buy and use any drug you want, however when you check in, you may not leave while still under the influence of any drugs. If you never leave, that is fine too.

    I would have legalized prostitution in controlled and safe settings, where the girls are subject to regular checkups and customers must also prove they are disease and drug free. 10% state tax would apply.

    And then you went over the top

    Attorneys would also be subject to prosecution if they knowingly suppress or withhold evidence that proves their client is guilty or the defendant is innocent.
    I'm hoping if you rethought that you'd change it to prosecutor knowingly suppress(es) or withhold(s) evidence that proves the defendant is innocent.

    It is incumbent upon the State to be above reproach.
    Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President... - Theodore Roosevelt, Lincoln and Free Speech, Metropolitan Magazine, Volume 47, Number 6, May 1918.

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    My wife is a pharmacist for CVS. She confirmed that some specific doses aren’t available so they just sub in a different quantity. Example: nobody can get Predisone 20mg, so they just fill 10mg tablets.

    I can ask her some questions if you all have any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWPilgrim View Post
    That is what has happened in health care to the max. Big business loves big govt, and vice versa. And they both hate/like to drain the blood from lots of small businesses and individuals.
    And business is very much a conservative sacred cow.


    https://archive.org/stream/Solzhenit.../SVF2_djvu.txt

    "But just as we feel ourselves your allies here, there
    also exists another alliance — at first glance a strange
    one, a surprising one— but if you think about it, in
    fact, one which is well-grounded and easy to under-



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    stand: this is the alliance between our Communist
    leaders and your capitalists.

    This alliance is not new. The very famous Armand
    Hammer, who is flourishing here today, laid the basis
    for this when he made the first exploratory trip into
    Russia, still in Lenin's time, in the very first years of
    the Revolution. He was extremely successful in this
    intelligence mission and since that time for all these
    50 years, we observe continuous and steady support
    by the businessmen of the West of the Soviet Commu-
    nist leaders.

    Their clumsy and awkward economy, which could
    never overcome its own difTiculties by itself, is contin-
    ually getting material and technological assistance.
    The major construction projects in the initial five-
    year plan were built exclusively with American tech-
    nology and materials. Even Stalin recognized that two-
    thirds of what was needed Vv-as obtained from the
    West. And if today the Soviet Union has powerful
    military and police forces — in a country which is by
    contemporary standards poor- — they arc used to crush
    our movement for freedom in the Soviet Union — and
    we have western capital to thank for this also.

    Let me remind you of a recent incident which some
    of you may have seen in the newspapers, although
    others might have missed it: Certain of your business-
    men, on their own initiative, established an exhibition
    of criminological technolosv in Moscow. This was the



    most recent and elaborate technology, which here, in
    your country, is used to catch criminals, to bug them,
    to spy on them, to photograph them, to tail them, to
    identify criminals, This was taken to Moscow to an
    exhibition in order that the Soviet KGB agents could
    study it, as if not understanding what sort of criminals,
    who would be hunted by the KGB,

    The Soviet government was extremely interested in
    this technology, and decided to purchase it. And your
    businessmen were quite willing to sell it. Only when a
    few sober voices here raised an uproar against it was
    this deal blocked. Only for this reason it didn't take
    place. But you have to realize how clever the KGB
    is. This technology didn't have to stay twx^ or three
    weeks in a Soviet building under Soviet guard. Two
    or three nights were enough for the KGB there to look
    through it and copy it. And if today, persons are being
    hunted down by the best and most advanced tech-
    nology, for this, I can also thank your western capi-
    talists. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    Uhh, what do you guys mean by legit capitalism? The one where the basic supply/demand/price graphs come true? Yeah that would be best for the consumer.

    One of the problems with our current system is that everything is run to maximize profit for the shareholder.
    Uhm, that is capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by NWPilgrim View Post
    That is what has happened in health care to the max. Big business loves big govt, and vice versa. And they both hate/like to drain the blood from lots of small businesses and individuals.
    Don’t confuse capitalism with free markets. It’s like when people conflate individual rights and democracy. Democracy and capitalism can end up being complete crap shows. Rights and markets are the freedom and the engine of good outcomes.

    Capitalism, at its core, just means that those with resources decide how those resources are used. People often read in free markets into that and that is the best form of capitalism but you can definitely have non-free markets and capitalism.

    As to business being “conservative” the 1990s saw the Democrats and their progressive wing realize that being poor and complaining about the rich was not as good as co-opting business and government, especially together, to make their money and to form the government and businesses into what they want in a social context.

    The left-wing of the country has perfected the concept of regulatory capture.
    The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.

    It's that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    As to business being “conservative” .
    If that was in reference to my business is a conservative sacred cow, mine is in reference to a tendency of conservatives to defend actions of any given business mogul short of making a run for political office on the Democratic ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post

    Don’t confuse capitalism with free markets. It’s like when people conflate individual rights and democracy. Democracy and capitalism can end up being complete crap shows. Rights and markets are the freedom and the engine of good outcomes.

    Capitalism, at its core, just means that those with resources decide how those resources are used. People often read in free markets into that and that is the best form of capitalism but you can definitely have non-free markets and capitalism.

    As to business being “conservative” the 1990s saw the Democrats and their progressive wing realize that being poor and complaining about the rich was not as good as co-opting business and government, especially together, to make their money and to form the government and businesses into what they want in a social context.

    The left-wing of the country has perfected the concept of regulatory capture.
    Well put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mozart View Post
    My wife is a pharmacist for CVS. She confirmed that some specific doses aren’t available so they just sub in a different quantity. Example: nobody can get Predisone 20mg, so they just fill 10mg tablets.

    I can ask her some questions if you all have any.
    Where my wife worked in a hospital setting it was Saline. The most common fricken medical supply imaginable. They were constantly having to scrounge around to find it and it always came in huge bulk quantities they would have to break down for IV's and other uses. There were others too but Saline caused the most trouble it seemed because it was used in so many things....On some of the other stuff I know they would do "drug swaps" with other hospitals, trading things they had in quantity to other facilities who had what they needed for their patients.

    That is not the sign of a properly functioning, First World, healthcare system- and it's not going to get better.
    The truth can only offend those who live a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esq. View Post
    Where my wife worked in a hospital setting it was Saline. The most common fricken medical supply imaginable. They were constantly having to scrounge around to find it and it always came in huge bulk quantities they would have to break down for IV's and other uses. There were others too but Saline caused the most trouble it seemed because it was used in so many things....On some of the other stuff I know they would do "drug swaps" with other hospitals, trading things they had in quantity to other facilities who had what they needed for their patients.

    That is not the sign of a properly functioning, First World, healthcare system- and it's not going to get better.
    Yes, some certain politicians thought it would be a good idea for Puerto Rico to have the business of packaging most quantities 0.9% Normal Saline solutions less than 1L. Many other drugs are diluted in hospital pharmacies into 0.9% NS.

    When the hurricane hit, the only places packaging it in smaller volumes were out of commission. Which is fine in the surface, but pharmacies had to take over that role. That wasn’t planned for and we ended up in a national shortage of 1L bags as well as a result. Many hospitals order their supplies a year or more out based on historical demand and it is delivered JIT. Hospital pharmacies were then left double-concentrating drugs that could be, as well as substituting LR for drugs that could be so that 0.9% NS could be conserved. It is important to note, 0.9% NS is the only solution which blood products can be administered with.

    This national shortage lasted around four months before alternative sources were secured. Let this be a lesson to politicians that altering markets is a bad idea, especially when “putting all your eggs in one basket”.

    That said, drug shortages, as mentioned above are not a new phenomenon. It isn’t typically the drug itself in shortage, but in the dosage often prescribed.

    The pharmaceutical industry is fairly complicated and requires many inputs; any interruption in many of the inputs or forecasting errors can result in supply issues.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 26 Inf View Post
    I'm hoping if you rethought that you'd change it to prosecutor knowingly suppress(es) or withhold(s) evidence that proves the defendant is innocent.

    It is incumbent upon the State to be above reproach.
    I don't think it's over the top. Right to end ones life should be the most important right.

    What if you did something horrible, that you just can't live with because it could never be undone and wasn't done intentionally. Should that person really have to carry that burden until their natural death? What if you have some horrible disease and there is no cure and only 6 months of painful suffering until death ahead of them? Should they really have to go through that natural process, should their family have to actually watch them suffer through it? If they want out, we should give them some dignity and respect their decision.

    As for the lawyers, yeah both sides really. If you know your client is guilty because you have the evidence, it should have to be presented. Now obviously the defense attorney will try and negotiate a fair outcome for his client, but I don't want child molesters and serial killers being set free because evidence existed but the defense attorney ignored it. But mostly I'm concerned with prosecutors who ignore or suppress evidence to get a conviction.

    I think both lawyers should actually work together to discover the truth and arrive at a consensus.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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