2011s in LE Use

[Dr Dues]

Agree with above!

The "P" variant w/RD is the tits!! Super easy to get hits at distance consistently, but I'm partial to my C2/RMR smokepole.

Gaijin's 4" Ported Staccato is even better!.........Super Tits!!

[Pappabear]

Anybody can argue the validity of a Glock. But shooting a Stacatto may change that. The only argument against Stacatto is $$$.

So if you don’t have the money, a Glock works all day long. But if you have the money well……
YMMV.

PB

[Wake27]

Anybody can argue the validity of a Glock. But shooting a Stacatto may change that. The only argument against Stacatto is $$$.

So if you don’t have the money, a Glock works all day long. But if you have the money well……
YMMV.

PB

This is why I’m trying to avoid shooting a Stacatto.


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[WillBrink]

Anybody can argue the validity of a Glock. But shooting a Stacatto may change that. The only argument against Stacatto is $$$.

So if you don’t have the money, a Glock works all day long. But if you have the money well……
YMMV.

PB

I'd take a HK VP9 all day over any Glock, so if not using top of the line double stack 1911 based 9mm's, I don't see Glock as a default. Actually, S&W M&P with Apex trigger kit and external safety, is another. I'm not a Glack guy myself.

[WillBrink]

This is why I’m trying to avoid shooting a Stacatto.


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What ever you do, don't go near a Wilson SFT9. It's another level.

[crosseyedshooter]

Coming back to the topic of magazine over insertion and ejector damage, I’m still impressed that Glock had the foresight to put an over insertion stop in their magazine design such that all longer length magazines can be safer used in their pistols.

[pag23]

What ever you do, don't go near a Wilson SFT9. It's another level.

I'm itching for an EDCX9...

[WillBrink]

I'm itching for an EDCX9...

I didn't like the ergos on the EDCX9. I much prefer the SFT9/SXf9 personally. The SFT9/SXf9 are almost as thin as a single stack .45 1911, which to my medium size hands is preference. Maybe larger hands like like the EDC. I was all hot for the EDC when it came out, but once I had one in my hand, I knew it was for me.

[Tokarev]

Regarding mags--just stuff I've gleaned from reading various threads and forums--is that Staccato is on revision 3.2 or so of the 2011 magazine.

The original STI mags were kind of a known failure point in that they were essentially hand-fitted to the gun. USPSA shooters often had to massage feed lips, shave followers, replace springs to get maximum reliability. Granted they were also seeking maximum mag capacity. Still, mags could require almost constant maintenance. The other issue is that the mag tube was built to work with 45 Auto and 38 Super. 9mm was not really a thing in 1911 or 2011 guns 30 years ago when the STI was coming to market.

Staccato worked to identify tolerances and improve manufacturing techniques with the goal of producing 9mm mags that were reliable out of the box. Mostly they seem to have gotten it right but not all mags and guns have been reliable. Hence the production changes and gen 3 mags. And it sounds like the gen 3 has been slightly tweaked as production continues.

With the above in mind, Staccato now has the CS model which apparently uses a new magazine format that's designed to be a 9mm 2011 from the jump. Speculation now is that this new CS format will become its own standard in the Staccato pistol line and will eventually replace the legacy STI format mag entirely. Is this true or just Internet rumor? If true the next question is will these new mags work in existing 2011 guns? If not that's a bunch of department and personal purchase LE customers who will likely be turned off to the whole platform....

Maybe we'll have some updates here in a couple weeks from SHOT.

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[Pappabear]

Tok, it will be interesting to see what comes out of shot, especially for me and the Stacatto line. They need to make their line-up more identifiable. Every time I'm in my LGS, I see some model that looks like an offshoot of their lineup. Especially their guns with comps on them. I suppose they are trying to make their line up a bit customizable, but also very confusing. And when you follow the make a gun for every customers desires, reliability suffers. I am not saying they have done this, it is a concern though seeing the P Duo/DPO with SS barrel or a threaded barrel or now it has a comp on it.....

PB