Virginia 2A Sanctuary Ciity / County - Please share

**jack crab** · 12-13-19, 10:04

Originally Posted by pinzgauer

Sad thing with this Virginia mess is the articles saying that 2A sanctuary cities is not the same as immigration sanctuary cities.

Their argument: the immigration sanctuary cities are just choosing to not enforce the federal law.

And thus are not breaking the law.

Yet somehow the same argument does not apply, the cities and counties are just choosing to not enforce the state law.

there may be some difference about flowdown of legal statutes, but I would think in a court if you do one you would need to apply the same logic to the other.

Not choosing to enforce federal law was essentially what (Mack)Printz v. US was about when the Brady act required local CLEOs to background check per federal law.

There is no 10th Amendment within a state.

**jsbhike** · 12-13-19, 10:18

They have Virginia Declaration of Rights which includes the right to rebel. George Mason and Thomas Jefferson could be trusted.

**Firefly** · 12-13-19, 10:32

When the suburbs speak Fortunate Son....

**prepare** · 12-13-19, 16:02

Matt Bracken's take on Virginia...
https://www.banned.video/watch?id=5d...47c0002b0d9db3

**Mozart** · 12-13-19, 16:15

Originally Posted by prepare

Matt Bracken's take on Virginia...
https://www.banned.video/watch?id=5d...47c0002b0d9db3

Alex Jones? 🙄

**Itsahak** · 12-13-19, 17:14

It looks to me like the Dems have backed themselves into an interesting corner.

1 - If they back down and don't pass the laws, they have lost their teeth and will come off as weak and powerless.
2 - If they pass laws that are just ignored by the populace and the law enforcement that is suppose to be their strong arm, they again, lose their teeth and come off as weak and powerless.
3 - They step straight into undeniable tyranny if they push a "LEO vs LEO" or "NG vs LEO" narrative, start going door to door, etc. That will start a straight up armed uprising. Again, making them the bad guys and reversing much of what they wish to do.

It would appear that their only real hope of coming out fairly unscathed would be to pass the laws, have the VCDL, or maybe the suddenly, suspiciously quite NRA and whatever other group file a law suit and injunctions to stop them and lose at the federal or SCOTUS level after the laws are declared unconstitutional. Then they can shrug their shoulders and yell "Trump". Any other way, and it would appear that they will not come out of this looking very good and with serious political egg on their face.

Thoughts?

**prepare** · 12-13-19, 17:35

Originally Posted by Itsahak

It looks to me like the Dems have backed themselves into an interesting corner.

1 - If they back down and don't pass the laws, they have lost their teeth and will come off as weak and powerless.
2 - If they pass laws that are just ignored by the populace and the law enforcement that is suppose to be their strong arm, they again, lose their teeth and come off as weak and powerless.
3 - They step straight into undeniable tyranny if they push a "LEO vs LEO" or "NG vs LEO" narrative, start going door to door, etc. That will start a straight up armed uprising. Again, making them the bad guys and reversing much of what they wish to do.

It would appear that their only real hope of coming out fairly unscathed would be to pass the laws, have the VCDL, or maybe the suddenly, suspiciously quite NRA and whatever other group file a law suit and injunctions to stop them and lose at the federal or SCOTUS level after the laws are declared unconstitutional. Then they can shrug their shoulders and yell "Trump". Any other way, and it would appear that they will not come out of this looking very good and with serious political egg on their face.

Thoughts?

So either way it’s obvious they’re looking out for their own interests vs their constituents or upholding the constitution.

**Mozart** · 12-13-19, 17:47

Originally Posted by Itsahak

It looks to me like the Dems have backed themselves into an interesting corner.

1 - If they back down and don't pass the laws, they have lost their teeth and will come off as weak and powerless.
2 - If they pass laws that are just ignored by the populace and the law enforcement that is suppose to be their strong arm, they again, lose their teeth and come off as weak and powerless.
3 - They step straight into undeniable tyranny if they push a "LEO vs LEO" or "NG vs LEO" narrative, start going door to door, etc. That will start a straight up armed uprising. Again, making them the bad guys and reversing much of what they wish to do.

It would appear that their only real hope of coming out fairly unscathed would be to pass the laws, have the VCDL, or maybe the suddenly, suspiciously quite NRA and whatever other group file a law suit and injunctions to stop them and lose at the federal or SCOTUS level after the laws are declared unconstitutional. Then they can shrug their shoulders and yell "Trump". Any other way, and it would appear that they will not come out of this looking very good and with serious political egg on their face.

Thoughts?

Door #2 is what NY and CT basically did. Something like a 97% noncompliance rate on their AR registration and mag ban scheme.

Somewhat unsurprisingly, they didn’t look weak and impotent, because honestly, Dem voters will always think highly of them, and the right wing already thought they were weakling tyrants prior to their crappy laws being passed and ignored. So nothing changed.

If the NY Safe Act is any indication, all this is going to mean is that:

1) you might have to find a more private place to go shooting.
2) you’ll have to drive to NC or WV to buy good mags.
3) you’ll have a harder time acquiring banned firearms. Harder, not impossible.