So For An RDS Handgun, Wouldn't You Actually Want It Forward Of The Ejection Port?

[SteyrAUG]

About the small window, I think it is the greatest once you work with it enough when you present the pistol at speed, it kind of disappears. Meaning I focus on the dot and see what is down range and it becomes like the dot is just there and I really can't tell any more if I am looking through the glass or past the glass and only really see the dot.

So you would have experience in this area with both. When we are talking about a RDS this small, how different is it from 3 dot tritium setups? Seems like it would be just shades of difference.

[Sidneyious]

So you would have experience in this area with both. When we are talking about a RDS this small, how different is it from 3 dot tritium setups? Seems like it would be just shades of difference.

Tapatalk big gay.

Look at the number of buis on rifles with illumination and ask yourself why you want that on a pistol with illuminated irons.

Glow sights help you find your gun in the dark and ruin your presentation.

I've never used glow irons, handgun or rifles.

[markm]

Same reason I didn't put projected laser dots on everything in the 80s.

Same here. It took over a decade for retards to stop over-gassing AR barrels. Plus it's still not "Aimpoint RDS on a Carbine" reliable yet. Ironing out unacceptable quirks in gun stuff is as slow as a post office employee coming off of break.

[yoni]

So you would have experience in this area with both. When we are talking about a RDS this small, how different is it from 3 dot tritium setups? Seems like it would be just shades of difference.

It is totally different, and vastly superior for me.

Iron sights we know are front site focus.

Red dots are target focused and impose the dot on the target.

When you get to needing reading glasses, at least for me iron sites took the fun out of shooting.

For self defense in the USA, can I hit with irons to solve 99% of the scenarios, I would say yes. I am pretty sure 99% or close to it of self defense shootings are less than 15 yards.

[SteyrAUG]

It is totally different, and vastly superior for me.

Iron sights we know are front site focus.

Red dots are target focused and impose the dot on the target.

When you get to needing reading glasses, at least for me iron sites took the fun out of shooting.

For self defense in the USA, can I hit with irons to solve 99% of the scenarios, I would say yes. I am pretty sure 99% or close to it of self defense shootings are less than 15 yards.

And with that I found my disconnect, thank you.

[yoni]

Again, I have been doing red dots on pistols forever, per receipt I got my first RDS a Dr. Optic in early spring 2001. Which really puts me at the front of the pack if not the first.

I mounted it on my Glock 34 with a dove tail mount which meant no back up sights. Some where around that same time a retired Marine officer started doing the same thing with a Glock 19. We both independent of input from each other learned to run these pistols, and we both saw them as a game changer. I will note my eyes were still good at this point in time.

Later I went with RMR and back up irons. I then did my next evolution in my use of red dots, I did away with the rear sight. Using the front sight and the window of the RMR as a big ghost ring.

Then Leupold came out with the Delta Micro and at first I thought it was a HUGE mistake. But working with it, I soon became convinced that it was brilliant.

I am wanting to buy a Stealth Arms 2011 that takes Glock mags. But being hammer fired it can't use the Delta micro and that is holding me back from dropping the hammer. Also they say they are coming out with a 357 sig pistol, so I am a real reason to wait.

[pag23]

And with that I found my disconnect, thank you.

With my goofy eyes... I needed a red dot or a red front fiber optician blacked out rear..I know they are not the same but it helps my eyes focus....

[markm]

With my goofy eyes... I needed a red dot or a red front fiber optician blacked out rear..I know they are not the same but it helps my eyes focus....

Same here. The front fibers are so fragile, but they work good. Oddly enough, with aging eyes, the smaller front sights (thinner) work better. My son's X5 Legion has a narrow fiber front sight, and It was pleasing to shoot.

[militarymoron]

Well, my eyesight has never been good (I wear glasses) and now it's getting worse and I probably need progressives/bifocals. I wear different glasses for regular use and for reading. The other week I was shooting my XM177 clone with it's irons, and I couldn't focus on the front sight (it's a thin, NM front sight) which slowed me down during some drills. For slow fire I can deal with it but for quick drills, it's slowing me down a lot. I just ordered a hi vis fiber optic front sight for my XM177, and hope that it'll help. I think everyone else was using red dots or LPVOs but I decided I wanted to go 'old school' and I was rockin' my 20-rounders. Slower but still lots of fun.

With a handgun, I do much better now with a fiber optic or high visibility dot than with a black front sight. I just cannot get a sharp enough image to center the front with the rear as quickly as I did when I was younger. I do have an RMR on my G17 and find myself shooting that more and more often now as I can focus on the target and superimpose the dot without my eyes having to adjust to different distances.

As for mounting a red dot further forward on a handgun slide, I think that someone else pointed out that the muzzle is liable to move more vertically during recoil than if the RDS is mounted closer to the pivot point and that might make it slower to reacquire.

[ViniVidivici]

Yeah I hate all-black sights on a pistol.

Preferred arrangement on irons-only is, Ameriglo Bold orange square w/ tritium, and OEM Glock steel rear. Done ALOT of night shooting that way, very effective. Promotes front sight focus.

On an optic equipped pistol, I initially went with black irons, but they're just not good enough when doing "dot down" drills, i.e. practicing shooting when for whatever reason the dot might not be there (dead battery, etc.)

And I did find some difficulty shooting at night during 0% illum, having no visual referrence for the pistol did make it strange...

So my preferred setup for MRDS gun is an Amerigli Bold yellow dot w/ tritium, black rear, set up with a very low 1/4 fish cowitness.

Very effective, for me, no hindrance at all when using the dot. Love this setup.

ETA: forgot to add, this sight setup also works great when shooting from awkward or unusual positions, one of the few times I'm okay with using the front sight to "guide" me to the dot.