Military Component of Trump Coup Attempt

[1168]

Like... I would trust McRaven or Mattis with my life and the lives of my loved ones.

I actually have entrusted my life to Bill, many times, and would do so again in a heartbeat. I worked with him extensively for a couple years. Dude was an intelligent and inspiring officer.

This degree of bashing him because he does not agree with your NYC Democrat orange guy after retirement reminds me of why I dislike gun people. A bunch of relative nobodies talking shit on an overachieving and decorated leader of men.

Does anybody recall under who’s leadership UBL got shot in the face?

[Todd.K]

This is not about Trump. It's about the proper and normal deference and respect the military must show to elected officials.

It is respecting the rank, not the person.

Retired flag officers don't get to go back to Joe civilian.

[ABNAK]

I actually have entrusted my life to Bill, many times, and would do so again in a heartbeat. I worked with him extensively for a couple years. Dude was an intelligent and inspiring officer.

This degree of bashing him because he does not agree with your NYC Democrat orange guy after retirement reminds me of why I dislike gun people. A bunch of relative nobodies talking shit on an overachieving and decorated leader of men.

Does anybody recall under who’s leadership UBL got shot in the face?

Quite frankly what makes me dislike McRaven is his comments about civilians owning AR15s. That should disturb you too. I can separate his military prowess from his politics, but I certainly don't have to agree with his politics.

[Firefly]

I actually have entrusted my life to Bill, many times, and would do so again in a heartbeat. I worked with him extensively for a couple years. Dude was an intelligent and inspiring officer.

This degree of bashing him because he does not agree with your NYC Democrat orange guy after retirement reminds me of why I dislike gun people. A bunch of relative nobodies talking shit on an overachieving and decorated leader of men.

Does anybody recall under who’s leadership UBL got shot in the face?

I hate to go here but no body no crime.

Gimme pics of a bullet riddled body and I’ll give credit where credit is due. I will kiss Obama’s ass as well as everyone under him. I have no doubt UBL is dead. I just want to see. We say Uday, Qusay, and Saddam. Why not UBL? I’d even pay money like on an adult site to see him 416’d from here to hell.

Again, I am not a Trump fan. But see no liveable alternative. It’s like asking me if I want San Francisco grade AIDS now or later when I don’t want it at all.

I have no doubt that McRaven and Mattis are good at their jobs and their little quibbles are, IMO only, poor form.

Trump is very uncouth for the position he holds, but hold it he does. He was elected. That cannot be taken away from him.

McRaven and Mattis were military leaders in wartime and have achieved successes where others may have not. This cannot be taken away from them.

But the actions of both sides are like parents openly arguing and cursing one another in the middle of Wal Mart. It’s hard to really take a side because both are kind of showing their asses.

This is my only contention

[prepare]

Stoking polarizing issues to what end?
As for McRaven, anybody that supports Brennen is corrupt. McRaven probably has lucrative interests tied to U.S. overseas involvement.

[1168]

I can separate his military prowess from his politics, but I certainly don't have to agree with his politics.

Agreed.

[MountainRaven]

I have a question for the Trump basher's on the forum.

Do you consider socialism/communism a bad thing or not?

I guarantee you that I have a lower opinion of socialism/communism than the current inhabitant of the White House has.

Turnabout is fair play so I say get as un-American as possible the next time a Dem POS sits in the Oval Office. They have it coming. I support that COMPLETELY. However, I'll at least have a modicum of integrity and quietly admit it is shady and dirty, even un-American, but payback is a bitch.

So it's cool to perpetuate partisan drama-llamaing, so long as it's not your guy in the White House. So you're going to make it as bad as you can when a Democrat makes it into the White House.

So are you ready to deal with it when those Democrats decide to make it even worse for the next Republican?

This is not about Trump. It's about the proper and normal deference and respect the military must show to elected officials.

It is respecting the rank, not the person.

Retired flag officers don't get to go back to Joe civilian.

I'm sure that Eisenhower, Grant, Johnson, and the eight other retired flag officers to become president after Washington didn't have a single strong public political view that might have been remotely critical of the civilian politicians who were their contemporaries, including the ones they ran against in elections and beat.

Oh, wait.

This is not about retired flag officers having strong public political opinions. It's about the President and his cult of personality finding treasonous and heretical enemies in every shadow.

[ABNAK]

So it's cool to perpetuate partisan drama-llamaing, so long as it's not your guy in the White House. So you're going to make it as bad as you can when a Democrat makes it into the White House.

So are you ready to deal with it when those Democrats decide to make it even worse for the next Republican?

Yep. Then we ratchet it up even more the time after that. If it tears this country apart too bad so sad. I can't stand about half this country anyway. Tit for f*****g tat. Forget that Moral High Road shit. It gets us nowhere.

THEY started all this, now we're supposed to sit back next time and say "Oh, well, let bygones be bygones. We're better than that"? I don't freaking think so. I've had it with the Left and their sympathizers. Wanna play games? Let's rock bitches!

[pinzgauer]

Whole I don’t agree with what McRaven said, calling it treason is pretty ignorant. First of all, he is retired. That may not be the same as completely unaffiliated with service, but he doesn’t lead service members anymore so anything he says is just his opinion. MATTIS is no different, though I don’t believe what he said (at least the quote I’ve seen) is anywhere near on the same level as McRaven. POTUS talked shit to Mattis and Chaos hit him back.

I agree its different as they are retired, even if bad form.

And while "lawful orders" and such are a big deal, a General working to actively undermine a sitting president making lawful if disagreeable orders within the executive's power would be a problem.

Warhawks gonna warhawk. If you have/are a hammer, issues often look like nails.

The syria situation was lose/lose. One answer may be worse short term, but its not like the other answer was better long term.

Do we really want (yet another) permanent presence in a country that will never embrace democracy?

So yes, part of me says let Syria, Turkey, Russia, and Iran sort it out. With nato/EU pressure moderating Turkey.

[mack7.62]

I guarantee you that I have a lower opinion of socialism/communism than the current inhabitant of the White House has.

Then pray tell which socialism/communism supporting Dem candidate do you support for the next POTUS.