9mm Subgun Viable for Home Defense?

[WillBrink]

The idea that a civil suit will go against you if using a scary SBR with silencer still applies for a 9mm sub gun. The average person will see any “tactical” gun as a man killer. If you are concerned about this, then you better stick to a pistol or wood stock shotgun.

9mm is fine for home defense. But my honest opinion is a good shotgun that you could easily point and shoot without worrying about the loss of fine motor skills is best for the LARGE majority. Unless you are some nerves of steel badass.

*Edit* I have a 5.56 pistol beside my bed for home defense, but I am in law enforcement and train/shoot often. If I were married and my wife had to possibly defend our home, it would be a shotgun.

I was tracking 'till then...

[Apexodus]

I was tracking 'till then...

Most of the forum members here don’t fit into the “large majority”. I respect everyone’s opinions, I’m just telling you what my personal experience is. Ymmv

[WillBrink]

Most of the forum members here don’t fit into the “large majority”. I respect everyone’s opinions, I’m just telling you what my personal experience is. Ymmv

I'm not an SME on the topic, but I'm unclear why a shotgun is easy to point and shoot "without worrying about the loss of fine motor skills" compared to an AR, and as you can see from SME comments, the whole fine motor skill aspect in this context seems to be downplayed in a big way.

Telling Iraqgunz, a guy who has some BTDT on top of his BTDT, to get out of his box, is lol worthy.

Welcome to the forums

[titsonritz]

I’m glad you saw that one time, but it doesn’t make fine motor skills nonsense. I don’t even know what to say to that comment. If we are basing things on anecdotal evidence, I have seen LEO qualifying with shotguns and ARs for years with MANY more induced AR malfunctions.

It’s all just opinion anyway. My opinion is that a shotgun is better in the hands of the majority of people (not everyone).

And I just saw your other comment about hearing. You are giving some bad info today brother. Do you know how many times police he called to scenes due to people hearing gunshots? Some of you guys need to get out of the boxes you’ve built.

If "fine motor skills" were a thing why aren't fighter pilots constantly falling out of the sky?



I have witnessed a few shootings in urban areas with no police showing up.

[Apexodus]

I'm not an SME on the topic, but I'm unclear why a shotgun is easy to point and shoot "without worrying about the loss of fine motor skills" compared to an AR, and as you can see from SME comments, the whole fine motor skill aspect in this context seems to be downplayed in a big way.

Telling Iraqgunz, a guy who has some BTDT on top of his BTDT, to get out of his box, is lol worthy.

Welcome to the forums

I’ve been on this forum a long time. I respect Iraqgunz, that doesn’t mean everything he says has to be agreed with. I’m not an expert, but I do work in the field and officers respond to “neighbors” reports of gunfire often. Saying otherwise is incorrect (or at least it’s different from other parts of the country)

We are talking about weapon manipulation. We are not talking about training units or professionals, I have clearly said multiple times now the “large majority”. That includes soccer moms, people that have hardly ever been around guns, people that get nervous to even hold one. When manipulating an AR vs a shotgun, one is easier than the other IMO. And that’s based off of qualifiers with guys that carry them every day, much less the people I listed above. That doesn’t apply to you, Iraqgunz, myself, or most other people on this forum. But if I’m suggesting a home defense weapon to the average person, it’s going to be a Woodstock non tactical shotgun. Thanks for the welcome

[flenna]

If "fine motor skills" were a thing why aren't fighter pilots constantly falling out of the sky?


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Point made...

[sndt1319]

I don’t understand the logic behind saying PCC are not appropriate for Home defense but pistols are. They fire the same ammo but the PCC carries more, is easier to shoot than a pistol and can be used by a greater range of people.

[1168]

Before everyone gets in a $&@ contest, go back and read the last page again. The discussion of sound had to do with a suppressed weapon firing pistol rounds. So DarkTemplars was concerned that his neighbor may not call the cops, from not recognizing (or hearing) the sound. And IG noted that it is sometimes difficult to know the exact location of the shots fired based on sound, which is absolutely true. I don’t think anyone was saying anything too crazy.

[Defaultmp3]

9mm is fine for home defense. But my honest opinion is a good shotgun that you could easily point and shoot without worrying about the loss of fine motor skills is best for the LARGE majority. Unless you are some nerves of steel badass.

If you had loss of fine motor skills, why would a shotgun be any better? You need fine motor skills to rack a pump, to hold a firearm, to pull a trigger, etc.

If you're using your fingers, wrists, hands, etc., you're using fine motor skills. In that regard, shotguns, semi or pump, are going to require just as much, if not more, fine motor skills as a rifle/PCC/etc.

[MegademiC]

I’ve been on this forum a long time. I respect Iraqgunz, that doesn’t mean everything he says has to be agreed with. I’m not an expert, but I do work in the field and officers respond to “neighbors” reports of gunfire often. Saying otherwise is incorrect (or at least it’s different from other parts of the country)

We are talking about weapon manipulation. We are not talking about training units or professionals, I have clearly said multiple times now the “large majority”. That includes soccer moms, people that have hardly ever been around guns, people that get nervous to even hold one. When manipulating an AR vs a shotgun, one is easier than the other IMO. And that’s based off of qualifiers with guys that carry them every day, much less the people I listed above. That doesn’t apply to you, Iraqgunz, myself, or most other people on this forum. But if I’m suggesting a home defense weapon to the average person, it’s going to be a Woodstock non tactical shotgun. Thanks for the welcome

How is a heavier gun with more recoil, and less rounds ready to go easier for inexperienced people?
If its a pump, now you have to rack it between shots instead of pulling the trigger.

On a side note, im assuming OP will practice with his gun.