Israel and Palestine going at it again

[yoni]

I’ve read a few articles stating that several cyber attacks/hostage scenarios, like the latest pipeline deal, were actually conducted by Israel in order to keep the US in check and doing their bidding..

If Israel were ever to do something like that, I would burn my Israeli documents and be done with it.

Also Israel would NEVER do such a thing, because the downside to it would be too great.

[lowprone]

The truth of the matter is that Middle Easterners are stupid for trusting other Middle Easterners
who will and do $^*& over each other frequently, and that unless they have overwhelming numbers
Middle Easterners suck at war, pure and simple !

[SteyrAUG]

Wait, seriously?

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2N12VC

[WillieThom]

Yeah... that’s a bummer.

I thought for sure since it was on the internet that it was 100% true.

[Uni-Vibe]

If Palestinians laid down their arms there would be peace.

If Israelis laid down their arms they would be slaughtered.

I have no doubt with whom I would stand beside.

It's not that simple. If the Palestinians laid down their arms, there would indeed be peace: but on their Israeli masters' terms.

[26 Inf]

Well if we're going to start counting injustices that happened 100 years ago, why not just go all the way back to 70 when the Romans expelled the Jews from their own land at sword point without any compensation.

Sounds to me like if the Palestinians have a beef with anyone it should be their own fellow countrymen who took advantage of them in the first place.

It's also worth noting that a big part of why people didn't think it was important is because nobody thought the land would ever be worth anything. The Arabs thought the Jews were crazy for even wanting it in the first place. It was malaria ridden wasteland at the time. After the Jews put their blood, sweat, and tears into the land to make it viable, and it started producing again, that's when the Arabs all of the sudden decided it was worth fighting over.

To me, the Jews prove time and again it's their land by how much they cherish it. They've sacrificed everything for it, and continue to risk everything for it, and have been successful against all odds.

Contrast that with how the Palestinians have treated the land. They have more foreign aid than any other people in the entire world, and look what they've done with it. The West Bank and Gaza Strip are no better today than they were 100 years ago. Still disease ridden wasteland. If not for foreign aid they would starve to death. They're nothing but a sore upon the land, because they care nothing for it. They exist there for one singular purpose, and that is to be a thorn in Israel's side.

Other than saying I'm not a fan of the Israeli government, which I now understand is too subtle a distinction for most folks to make, I don't believe I came down on the side of Hamas or the PLO. I am firmly pro-Jewish faith and believe we (the U.S.) should defend Israel with our troops if necessary.

As for why not go back to the Romans, I kind of fell the Ottoman treatment of the Arab farmers was a precursor to the current troubles. Britain, France, fvck, the Allies in general, screwed the pooch royally.

As for the shape of the West Bank and Gaza, I feel most of those folks are pawns of Hamas, the media, and various NGO's who could really give a fvck less about them.

[Straight Shooter]

If Israel were ever to do something like that, I would burn my Israeli documents and be done with it.

Also Israel would NEVER do such a thing, because the downside to it would be too great.

Thats f-ing libtard media propaganda...WHO told that first..AP? SO DAMNED GLAD Israel hit that "media building"...wish to Almighty God they could hit CNN, NY Times, ABC,CBS, NBC, MSNBC, FOX & about a dozen more of the rat bastards here.

[SteyrAUG]

I am firmly pro-Jewish faith and believe we (the U.S.) should defend Israel with our troops if necessary.

Do what now?

We barely defend the US and US embassies but you want us to fight for another country? Bad enough we form coalitions to rescue Kuwait, help Iraq attempt to achieve a democracy and while we are at it feed kids over in Somalia but when do we start committing troops to the defense of other countries because they find themselves at war?

Now if you want to create a volunteer brigade like the AVG (Flying Tigers) sure, no problem. But people in the US military did not swear an oath to protect and defend the United State and the Constitution and Israel. That is the kind of bad idea that makes some folks go "see told you so, we are the lackeys to Israel and do whatever Israel commands."

[SteyrAUG]

It's not that simple. If the Palestinians laid down their arms, there would indeed be peace: but on their Israeli masters' terms.

So the Pali arabs fought and lost a war. What other terms would there be? The fact that land was provided to them at all is benevolent. Had Pali jews lost the war do you think Pali arabs would have conceded any land to the losers? They'd have told them to go back to Europe.

Sure the Pali jews did some evil shit in the beginning, including legit acts of terrorism. But they weren't exactly alone in these efforts. Lots of "genuine evil" to go around, nobody was exempt. There were no Gandhi's, but ironically if they had gone the Gandhi route they probably would have been far more successful.

[okie]

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2N12VC

That's criminal level trolling right there.