Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President... - Theodore Roosevelt, Lincoln and Free Speech, Metropolitan Magazine, Volume 47, Number 6, May 1918.
Every Communist must grasp the truth. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party Mao Zedong, 6 November, 1938 - speech to the Communist Patry of China's sixth Central Committee
I have a WML on all of my regularly used pistols and HD rifle. I also carry a handheld light. It has many uses and I think people should run with both if your gun can support a 500 lumen or more light. Things like the TLR7 have taken away a lot of excuses if your smaller gun has a rail. Smaller guns with no rail should mean you're running a handheld light. The TLR6 is almost useless.
-G19.5 has a TLR7
-G17.5 x2, G19X, G21.4 all run X300Us
-AR uses a M600DF Scout
Handheld light-Surefire E2D Defender
Duty Light: Streamlight Singer DS LED HL plus Surefire Peacekeeper
I also carry a handheld light whenever possible, two when I'm at work. PID of your real or perceived threat is very important. How you chose to do that is up to you. I will say at a minimum a very bright handheld light is required if you carry a handgun. Don't rely on streetlights, moonlight, or other ambient light to help with PID or determining if that thing in the person's hand is a gun, cell phone, flashlight, wallet, OC spray, newspaper, shovel, etc. They aren't good enough.
Here are a few videos that may help some of you.
Sage Dynamics Basic Handgun WML Techniques
Sage Dynamics Handheld Light Techniques
Last edited by Vandal; 03-22-20 at 03:58.
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Yes, this is something that tends to come up. It is a training issue. You must understand when it is, or isn’t appropriate to point a weapon at something/someone. To say that one should not mount a light on their weapon in order to avoid doing something dumb is similar to saying that someone should not carry a gun, because they might point it somewhere inappropriately.
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My opinion is we have kind of reached a point where your CC, SD, HD, etc. guns should have a WML.
Obviously, your Production, SSP Guns, ranges toys, collectibles, neat ones to have, etc, are exempt.
If I bought an 1887 clone, an exposed hammer coach gun, and an old 1897 to play with- no light.
M2 for gun games- no light.
Home defense pump? Light.
“Where weapons may not be carried, it is well to carry weapons.”
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I have the same experience when on a low light static range after firing many rounds given the right atmospheric conditions. However during qualification each stage is 12 rounds or less. I would hope that during an actual low light shooting I would be moving by the time I put 10+ rounds downrange.
WML light reflection off gunsmoke is a real issue that requires familiarization and training. However the 99% use of the light comes before the shooting starts and that is where it shines
Dennis.
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My Duty pistol has a TLR-1 on it and my CCW pistol has a TLR-7. I spend hours at a time walking thru the woods at night. No street lights or anything. Not having a weapon light is horrible idea. People will protect there "plants" with force and sometimes dispatching a sick/injured animal. A weapon light helps alot.
For Duty and primary HD I say yes.
For carry, it's up to you. It's a no for me.
I am far from an expert. But, I have had some formal training in low light techniques/shooting, and have shot indoors and outdoors with weapon mounted lights and handheld lights. When it comes to a weapon mounted light on a carry handgun, put me in the "it depends on your situation, requirements, etc." group.
One thing I did not see mentioned in this thread is that the glare from the light and gunsmoke (which I agree can be very significant) depends on part on the tint or color of your light. Very small differences in light color can make big differences in the amount of glare. The bright white/blueish colored lights, which are common with LEDs, will often create a lot of glare with smoke. The white/yellowish lights create much less glare with smoke. My understanding is that it's the same reason a lot of fog lights on vehicles are yellow.
If I had enough time and money, I would test potential carry ammo to see what creates only a small amount of smoke, and test lights to see what creates less glare with gunsmoke.
One other thing I did not see mentioned for those that are going to use a weapon mounted light is that it's a good idea to test your gun with a light attached to make sure it doesn't malfunction. Sometimes the extra weight of a weapon mounted light can cause cycling issues with semi-auto handguns.
Joe Mamma
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Good points. There is also such a thing as too much light.
Going back to comments from MistWolf and Dennis, my experience has been that gunsmoke has not been a big issue with the WML's that the average agency issues to their LEO's during our night fire course.
Two things, shooters weren't static, duty ammo general has reduced signature - including smoke. Now, if your shooting Win231, well, yeah...
Environment also makes a difference, indoors, versus outdoors.
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Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President... - Theodore Roosevelt, Lincoln and Free Speech, Metropolitan Magazine, Volume 47, Number 6, May 1918.
Every Communist must grasp the truth. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party Mao Zedong, 6 November, 1938 - speech to the Communist Patry of China's sixth Central Committee
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