Consciousness Cannot Have Evolved

**Mick Boon** · 02-15-20, 21:28

If there is a god who needs him ?

**MegademiC** · 02-15-20, 21:39

Originally Posted by Mick Boon

If there is a god who needs him ?

Atheists dont die upon claiming atheism, so either no God, or no one "needs" him.

**Mick Boon** · 02-15-20, 21:41

Originally Posted by MegademiC

Atheists dont die upon claiming atheism, so either no God, or no one "needs" him.

What are you talking about ?

**Hmac** · 02-15-20, 21:52

Originally Posted by MegademiC

How/why did you decide on Physical Chemistry? Was it something you wanted going into college or decide to go that direction part way through?

Nah. I always wanted to be a surgeon. I stuck with chemistry for awhile because I loved it and was good at it, and had a charismatic advisor that I respected. I finally hit the wall, Peter Principle at work, where my grasp of and interest in quantum chemistry just wasn't there and it became clear that that wasn't my path. I rose to my level of incompetence.

**SteyrAUG** · 02-15-20, 22:10

Originally Posted by Hmac

Speaking for myself...I'm not anti-god. Prove its existence to me and I'm there. As to religion...yeah. I'm anti-religion. Over the millennia, organized religion has shown itself to be the grossest of perversions of the ideals that it purports to represent. Organized religion = extraordinary hypocrisy. I cannot believe anything it teaches. Organized religion talks the talk, but it simply can NOT bring itself to walk the walk.

No money in that. When religious leaders take a vow of poverty I'll be at least willing to listen to their ideas. Otherwise it's just another form of politician who "claims to be a servant" but takes a hefty fee for their service.

**Mick Boon** · 02-17-20, 09:58

Blessed be the cheeseburger makers for they shall inhibit thy girth.

**WillBrink** · 02-19-20, 10:17

Those of you who really wanna go down the rabbit hole of reality, will enjoy this discussion. It supports the idea that you don't go from unconscious matter to consciousness for those want to explore such things with God defined as "the one infinite conscious agent" as a model to work from using mathematics and new models of reality. This may be where science and higher consciousness finally meet and one - using the scientific method - may quantify the other. Science may be finally up to the task of showing our perceptions are just tip of the iceberg: