Winchester White Box 9mm 124g NATO

[Straight Shooter]

A little off topic: what practice ammo is close to but not hotter than Federal HST 9mm 147 gr?
Is the white box hotter? Is the MEN a lot milder? I've gone thru 500 rounds of the MEN without incident. Never compared it side by side with the hst.

Not at all. All good man.

And SS, quality post!

Thanks parishioner!
Here is info on Federal 147 HST out of my G17-10 rounds
HI:1015
LOW 982
ES:33
AVE:998

G19 with Federal 147 +P- 10 rounds
HI:1027
LOW:995
ES:32
AVE:1011

G19 with Federal 147 HST
HI:1001
LOW:977
ES:24
AVE:987

Only about 24fps faster is the +P load than standard pressure.
ADDED: Im finding across the board, that HST's are more accurate than Gold Dots in my guns, my hands, by a fair margin. All carry mags are loaded with HST +P 124's, but I have and will continue to use & buy Gold Dots, as they are still very accurate also.

[Straight Shooter]

Is there a typo with the average for the Gold Dots?

GOOD CATCH! YES...Sorry...it should be AVE:1165...THANKS! Ill correct in my post.

[Pi3]

Thanks for all the info Straight S.
How does felt recoil compare: 147gr heavier but slower than 124gr?

[shadowrider]

To add a little HST and short barrel data:

M&P 9 Shield with Federal 147 +P HST
HI: 1010
LOW: 962
ES: 48
AVE: 980.5

M&P 9 Shield with Speer 124 +P Gold Dot
HI: 1143
LOW: 1085
ES: 58
AVE: 1118.3

[Straight Shooter]

Thanks for all the info Straight S.
How does felt recoil compare: 147gr heavier but slower than 124gr?

Brother- I cant tell a nickles worth of diff. Firing at speed, double taps, and/or in a life/death situ...to me just aint noticeable.
MAYBE one handed, slow fire, target type shooting, but even then it wouldnt be nothin to get spun up over. If I had to carry 147's, it would be the standard pressure load, and Id grin & be happy & confident.
Thanks SHADOWRIDER for that info- I shoot my gf's Shield alot-LOVE IT-but havent chronoed it yet.

[Wake27]

Thanks for all the info Straight S.
How does felt recoil compare: 147gr heavier but slower than 124gr?

147 should be lighter on the recoil because its a heavier round. A lot of people like it for competition because its flat shooting. At least that's my understanding, I've only ever shot 115 and 124.

[shadowrider]

Brother- I cant tell a nickles worth of diff. Firing at speed, double taps, and/or in a life/death situ...to me just aint noticeable.
MAYBE one handed, slow fire, target type shooting, but even then it wouldnt be nothin to get spun up over. If I had to carry 147's, it would be the standard pressure load, and Id grin & be happy & confident.
Thanks SHADOWRIDER for that info- I shoot my gf's Shield alot-LOVE IT-but havent chronoed it yet.

I'm really "intrigued" by the Sig P365, but the Shield is such a great gun, I can't drop it just yet. Maybe when the bugs are all worked out and are behind it a ways I'll try one.

@Pi3 In the smaller platform of the Shield The 147 +P is just as snappy as the 124 +P maybe slightly more. I have 2 mags of +P HST left and since they aren't currently running it I'm switching to standard pressure when it's gone. 147 standard pressure is definitely softer in the lighter shorter gun than 124s or 115s. In my 9 Pro for USPSA the +P 124s are snappier than 147s. It's noticeable but honestly if you put a timer on it I doubt anyone but the GM level USPSA shooter would see a difference in splits. In full size guns I run 124 +P and short barrel guns get 147 of either variety. HST is my goto but GD or Ranger T is fine by me. I'm not picky as long as the gun isn't.

[jpeto3969]

I shot many, many thousands of rounds of this over the past several years- 100% reliable, accurate ammo. Ive got about 3000 on tap now.
PSA has THE best price...$179 SHIPPED for 1000. Brownells has it too in an ammo can for I think $199...great deal too.
I use it as practice ammo because it is +p and matches my carry loads of 124gr +P GD or HST..hits to same POA in my G17/19.
Cant find my chrono notes just now- but it always chrono's the same over time, and again , is a +P level load. Best range ammo out there ,in my opinion.

Still the best price at $179 shipped, just ordered some more from PSA.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Uni-Vibe]

My range notes, from my chrono & my guns:
G19 with Winchester NATO 124fmj-10 rounds
HI:1131
LOW:1076
ES:55
AVE:1111

G19 with Federal 124 +P HST-10 rounds
HI:1202
LOW:1150
ES:52
AVE:1181

G19 with MEN 124 fmj-10 rounds
HI:1054
LOW:1019
ES:35
AVE:1037
NOTE: Cleanest, shiniest ammo Ive ever seen, both cosmetically & after firing.

G19 with Speer Gold Dot 124 +P-10 rounds
HI:1187
LOW:1147
ES:40
AVE:1165

G17 with MEN 124 NATO-10 rounds
HI:1085
LOW:1069
ES:35
AVE:1085
NOTE: This MEN NATO shoots LIGHTS OUT ACCURATE in my G19 & G17.

G17 with Federal 124 +P HST-10 rounds
HI:1234
LOW:1222
ES:12
AVE:1228
Note: VERY accurate in my G19 & G17.

Hope this helps. My opinion- MEN & Winchester NATO are TOPS for training & range, and I wouldnt be at all upset to use it as a defense load if pushed.
The Federal HST +P 124 is VERY accurate in my guns..Ive shot out to 50 yards several times, no problems.
As an aside- Im also a huge fan of the MEN 5.56 NATO loads too.

Thanks a bunch! I was going to do something like this, and you saved me the trouble. Confirms what I've read, and what I suspected from firing it: It's about halfway between standard SAAMI stuff, and the +P stuff. I'm assuming the data would be similar with the Ruger SR9, which is about the barrel length of the G19.

And I do indeed carry Winchester Q4318 124 grain NATO fmj as my every day carry load.

[Uni-Vibe]

Palmetto has Q4318 $8.99, free shipping with 1000 + rounds.

Expires 11-12.

I snagged 20 boxes just now. Great stuff. (Brass is good for reloading, except the primers are military-crimped. That's OK with me; I have ammo boxes of commercial 9mm cases if I want to reload.)


https://palmettostatearmory.com/winc...rds-q4318.html