Originally Posted by
OH58D
I actually have followed this quite closely. I have some horse customers at the Jicarilla Reservation and have been to Dulce countless times. There's more to this however, and I'll share a little with you. The UFO observations have been seen for years, but credible ones can't be traced to any time prior to the mid 1960's. On the western edge of the Jicarilla in the Carson National Forest, the US government detonated an underground nuclear device in December 1967, code named Project Gasbuggy - experimental fracking. Look it up. Over the years there have been reports of ground water contamination and birth defects of rural Jicarilla Apache residents, who have conveniently dropped off the face of the earth. The stories get shut down fast. Other stories relate a "The Hills have Eyes" type of situation with mental retardation of back-country residents. You hear these things from the Apache families themselves, but it never gets any traction with the authorities.
In the video I embedded, they talk about Operation Gasbuggy.
The gentleman featured in that video is retired NMSP for that area who conducted the investigation for the state of NM into the cattle mutilations. He set up a hide (think sniper's hide) on the mesa and has photographic evidence of black helicopters coming and going from sites where cattle mutilations were occurring. At crime scenes he found discarded chem lights, M17 gas masks, and an electronic transmitter of some sort that he believed was used to track tagged/targeted cattle.
Now the question begs to be asked was a government program behind the cattle mutilations or did they arrive on site after the fact to investigate / monitor what was going on?
Originally Posted by
OH58D
A lot of the uranium mining in Arizona and Utah were done in very rural areas. Some of the first dirt roads were carved into the landscape for that industry. The Department of Energy has done a good job of covering over these locations, but I don't think it's perfect. On the Navajo Reservation, there are no incorporated towns, just places that are part of the Bureau of Indian Affairs Agency system. One place in NW New Mexico is called Shiprock (named after a local volcanic peak). It also has a covered uranium site with Navajo housing built up right next to it. It must be covered well because no evidence of illnesses from it.
Another aspect that adds to the cloak and dagger of this subject matter, the .gov has done things on tribal lands that they cannot divulge and or have covered up.
Originally Posted by
OH58D
Going back to Moose-Knuckle's post about the Dulce area and UFO's, I honestly believe the US Government has used the vast open areas of the Navajo and other Four Corners State reservations to conduct testing operations. I personally saw something years back (2000) that gave me pause. On the eastern side of the Navajo Reservation near a community called Rock Point, Arizona, I was traveling with a friend around 2am north of that community. We were heading north on US 191 towards US 160 when we saw an unusual white light in the sky to the west moving around. We stopped, got out of the truck and watched it for a while. I thought it was a helicopter with an unusual bright white landing beam or spot light. It was moving from north to south then back to the north again. The funny thing was that the changes in direction were sudden and abrupt. No slowing down. It then moved in a straight line east in our direction getting larger, then retreated back to the west and then an abrupt change to the north and zipped off. We both described the movement like the old Pong video game, with the "ball" bouncing back and forth via sudden movement direction changes. To this day we still talk about this, and I am totally lost for an explanation to what we saw.
Coming from a retired 160th SOAR pilot no less, this is profound to say the least. A lot of people write-off anyone that talk about this stuff as kooks, tin-foil hat, etc. but the reality is there are metric shit ton of subject matter experts with backgrounds in aviation, areospace, defense, etc. that have seen things that cannot be dismissed via our known knowledge of the laws of physics.
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