Isnt that the truth, tried to help a op over there who asked about a SCAR 16 or Sig 556, told him not to even look at the Sig, and out of the wood work, came all these Sig lovers telling how good it is, and how the SCAR is a failure.
Just received this email from Daniel Defense 
For many, the start of a new year means the start of a fresh beginning or a time for something new… an improved and exciting change. At Daniel Defense, it could mean the time to launch a new product, or in this case, an opportunity to offer a new caliber. No caliber has created a buzz over the last year like the 300 Blackout. Daniel Defense will offer the 300 Blackout paired with 2011’s top selling version, the Daniel Defense M4 V5. Together, they bring excellence to a new level. This new variant will be offered as an option in conjunction with the 5.56.
For those of you who aren’t familiar with the 300 Blackout, allow me to give you the skinny. This round was originally designed to give the shooter a 30 caliber projectile, which could be fired from the AR platform without an increase in magazine size while still utilizing a standard bolt. The 300 Blackout is 7.62x35 which gives the shooter similar ballistic qualities to the .308 and the 7.62x39, the AK round, without having to give up the light weight 5.56/AR platform. In fact, all recent testing has pointed to similar ballistics as the 7.62x39, but the advantage is the 300 Blackout can still utilize the standard AR magazines without a reduction in capacity. Unlike the 7.62x39, the cartridge is still light on the shoulder and has similar recoil to a 5.56.
Like what you hear so far? Stand by, because there is more. Test results have shown that the 300 Blackout to be more accurate than the 5.56x45 and M4. When tested at ranges of 100-300 meters, it showed better penetration, better terminal effects, and was a more versatile round. Oh, did I mention that when suppressed the 300 Blackout, 7.62x39, was as quiet as the HK MP-5 SD? Yep, that’s right. When suppressed, the 300 Blackout is as quiet as the HK MP-5 SD, which in case you didn’t know, fires a 9mm round.
So let’s review. The 300 Blackout offers increased lethality by offering better penetration, knock down power down range and is offered as a variant option in the top selling Daniel Defense M4 V5. I’ll take two!
Hollywood movie studios and doomsday prognosticators would have us believe the world, as we know it, will come to an end in the coming year. While 2012 has many fearing for what’s to come, the attitude in Black Creek, GA is quite opposite. In addition to a new, ninety-thousand square foot expansion in Ridgeland, SC, we are excited about the highly anticipated DDM4v5-300 AAC Blackout.
In an earlier article entitled Art in Design of a Modern Sporting Rifle, I took you on a tour of the engineering lab where ideas transform into actual working prototypes. Transforming specs into a marketable product involves raw materials, programming of machinery, creating special tools, and other logistics. As we embark on the next leg of this tour, you’ll witness a hunk of metal, what we refer to as a forging; become a Mil-Spec Daniel Defense Semi-Auto Lower Receiver like that standard in the 300 Blackout.
Standing on the factory floor, earplugs in, sporting protective eye gear, it’s important to pay close attention to the raw materials. You may ask where we get the metals for our guns. For the semi-auto lower, it begins with a forging. As you can see, it already resembles the part we’re manufacturing. By doing it this way we save money, create substantially less waste, while maintaining structural integrity.
The forging is placed into one of Daniel Defense’s Okuma MB-5000 Horizontal Mills. As a side note, the equipment, plus tooling cost around $650,000. Due to proprietary information and tool with fixture design, I am unable to show you its interior operation. To sum it up, an automated process machines the forging: shaves, grinds, drills, threads, you name it. At the end of the process, you’ll have a part that looks like what is seen in the picture.
Systematically, parts are extracted from every batch and sent to our state-of-the-art Quality Assurance Lab. The CMM (coordinate measuring machine) verifies the unit is machined to precisely the right dimensions. This type of oversight ensures every Daniel Defense rifle, including the 300 Blackout, exceeds expectations.
Like icing on the cake, the semi-auto lower receiver is finished with what’s called type 3 hard coat anodizing. This finish process augments its durability—many times greater than if it were untreated; and gives it that flat black appearance. Taking into consideration the conditions the Daniel Defense rifle is subjected to, the anodizing is vital to the firearm’s longevity.
As you contemplate adding a new AR to the collection in 2012, whether it be the Daniel Defense DDM4v3, v7 or v5-300 AAC Blackout, or one of our other models, rest assure the rifle you choose will be properly engineered, manufactured with the highest grade materials, machined to precise specifications, quality tested, and assembled by the best in the business. To learn more about Daniel Defense, please visit us online at DanielDefense.com.
That’s really interesting news. I wonder what the prices will be for just the upper. I’ve got my brother interested in 300blk after showing him my rifle at a range, and I will probably buy him an upper (not sure what brand yet) in the near future.
2012 is really going to be an exciting year for people who are starting to get into this caliber.
Someone from this forum or www.300blktalk.com sent an email to BCM a few months back asking if they had any future plans with 300blk. According to that person’s post BCM said no.
I wouldn’t be surprised if BCM will eventually change their mind. If that happens I might consider selling my barrel…
I ran across the DD the other day on several sites listed for sale, but out of stock. The prices were around $1300 - $1500.
I am anxiously awaiting a BCM offering. lol.
That was me in early September. BCM and DD both said “no plans at this time” while PSA said “We have 300 AAC uppers planned, but not in the immediate future.” Obviously DD changed their mind, which is great.
Lots of 300 BLK stuff at RSR:
Isn’t ammo just about a dollar a round still ?
I am wanting to get one of these to hog hunt with instead of using 556. Once ammo gets cheap, I will get on board
65 cents/rd shipped to your door for the UMC ammo, here:
PNW Arms is offering range ammo around the same price. Ammo with proper hunting bullets (various 125gr ballistic tip options) is more in the 95-100 cents/rd range right now, although Gunn Ammo has a load with the 125gr Speer TNT bullet for 85 cents/rd at AIM:
Some chrono data:
Ammo will be in the 55 cent a round range soon. Govt customers already can buy it in the high 30 cent a round range for larger orders (only because they are FET exempt - there is a tax in ammo they don’t have to pay). I don’t know what M855A1 costs, but it may be cheaper for 300 BLK. How can a special tax on guns/ammo be constitutional and not seen as limiting the right to keep and bear arms? Where is the ACLU - you know, the people who want you to be able to vote without a photo-ID as to require one may possibly raise the cost of voting to some people by making them have to travel to the DMV to get a free photo ID?
Good point Robert. Would guess that the ammo tax was just a way to get the government foot in the door for future increases so as to choke out the shooting sports completely.
As I posted in the beginning I wanted the 300 blackout. Most seem to recommend the 556 instead, especially with it being my first rifle. Your recommendations and the cost of ammo led to me choosing a 556.
I came oh so close to a CMMG, but again I ultimately picked what was suggested. I bought a Daniel Defense M4V7. I chose that because I like the rail not so cluttered.
I couldn’t find any in stock, so I called Daniel Defense. They gave me a name of a local shop (Blankenship) they had just sent one to. I called them and they made me a deal.
In the purchase I got Magpul front and rear sights and a Blue force gear two point sling (Padded VCAS with push button adjusters). a Rail Mount QD Swivel Attachment Point for the sling and five 30 round Magpul magazines with the windows.
All totaled $ 1 ,386.70 shipped!
It was more than I intended on spending, but with the extras I thought it was a good deal. They were very helpful! I highly recommend them.
I couldn’t stand the MOE stock that came with it because it rattled. I just replaced it a few days ago with a CTR stock, that has the lock and the sling attachment. It locks up perfect. The sling is also more comfortable attached to the stock. I’m of course new to this and may change my mind but at least I have multiple choices to attach the sling now.
I joined a local gun club last week and went to sight it in. I didn’t realize they had no way of holding targets at the range. So the day wasn’t a loss I wanted to shoot and have a little fun. I found quite a few 16oz drink bottles. I sat them up and shot at them. It wasn’t sighted in, but I hit about everyone I shot at from 25 and 50 yards. I shot 60 rounds with no problems. It was a LOT of fun!!
I don’t wont to pay for an Aimpoint right now so I bought a Bushnell Red Dot for $69. My riser will be here next week to 1/3 cowitness the backup sights.
There are a few things I would like to add:
For one, a different “Rail”. Yes I love the “Modular Float Rail 12.0 " from DD but it’s to short for me. I’m 6’3” and I have very long legs and arms. My hand seems to want to go all the way to the end of the rail and grab the barrell. It would be perfect if I had just a few more inches. Keeping it almost the same I have pretty much decided on the new “Troy Industries 15” Alpha Battle Rail". That will give me 3" more. I know they are pretty high, but I will just sale my current one and I hopefully will come close to breaking even. I’m not positive it will fit my rifle but it should. I’m going to call and make sure before I order one.
Next I want something to help with hand placement. I first thought about the angled fore grip from Magpul. I like the rail very “UNBUSY” and clean looking as possible. I was then thinking about just a “Stop” like the gear sector. But the more I look at the Magpul “XTM Hand Stop Kit” the more I like it. Its pretty cheap to! I think… it just might be perfect. It dont come out until the Spring.
I have narrowed down two vest to hold magazines. One is “Eagle Chest Rig M4, LE” and the other “SOE Gear M4AK Micro Rig”. I am leaning toward the later. I like that I could carry 4 mags and a pistol etc… in the pouch… or 2 extra ar mags in the pouch for a total of 6.
Last but not least… possibly a magnifier of some kind (3x-5x that’s adjustable). I have been researching something that will work with the Bushnell and the 1"UTG mount. My eyes are not great. I did manage to rig a target up on a make shift stand 100 yards away the other day. It was a 2’x2’ target and to me it was just a speck!!! I couldn’t see the black circle at all. I fired 3 shots at what look like a white box the size of my pinky fingernail while standing. All three hit! Not in the center… but they all hit the paper at least!
Yes, when money permits I will get an Aimpoint. The Bushnell seems really nice and its got awesome reviews! It will work for now. Besides… the next $500 I get will go to training, ammo, and possible a Glock 17 or 19.
I also plan on attending a Carbine course as suggested. I was suppose to go yesterday actually. My work schedule messed that up. Hopefully in April I can catch the next one. Between now and then I’ll watch the Magpul Carbine video a friend got me and try to become more acquainted with the rifle. It might be best I wait as I may have slowed the class down being so new.
Thanks for all your advice for a new guy!! I think I made a good choice and it was money well spent. I promise to post a photo when I’m done with it. Right now it looks the same as all other M4V7s. 
Congrats on the DD, I’m sure you wont be disappointed with it.
I always thought, “oh what the hell, they’re all the same, just go cheap”, and listened to the guy at my LGS. Then I did some research. Needless to say, you did well getting a quality rifle right off the bat instead of wasting money on crap like I did.
I learned that if I would have went with a top tier rifle in the first place, by now I could have had a couple of them for what I wasted going cheap.
If one is interested in a DD AR with a goal to run .300 AAC Blackout through it, would one be better off getting the V5-300 and then if ever felt the need to shoot .223 with it, get a 5.56 DD upper later on… or better to get a 5.56 DD AR and get the DD V5-300 upper at the cost of about an extra $1000 up front for the extra upper? (Or a Colt lower and the v5-300 upper?)
I am extremely pleased with the DD M4V7. I’m so glad I listened to everyone’s suggestions. The only thing I didn’t like was the rail. I needed a few more inches since I have long arms. I ordered one of the new TRX alpha rails in 15" and it’s perfect! I had to change out the barrel nut so it was an ordeal as I had to buy a bunch of tools I didn’t have. Now I have them in case I need them again. I also learned a lot. I love the “DPMS Panther Claw” for holding the receiver while I work on it. I have about a thousand rounds through it so far with no problems. I will post photos sometime later when I’m completely done. I have a couple things on back order right now. I promise to not get all this help and never come back showing what I was helped with. Im also still planning to take a carbine course in the very near future.
I did and still do like the thought of the larger round, but I’m enjoying the 556 so much I might not ever get the 300. IF… the price came down to match the 556… Probably yes. It’s costing me enough just to shoot this. I was in the mind set of 300 BO and a 45 side arm. I think I will stick with 556 and 9mm. I believe they will serve to well. As for hunting, I’ll probably just use a different rifle.
Thanks for the update and feedback, it’s valuable for folks like me who are in the decision-making process.