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    powder for 223 & 308

    Is there any one powder good for 223 for 55 to 69 grn bullets and also good in 308 from 150 to 168 grn bullets. Can find powder good in both but not in theese weight range's or am I not understanding it. From what I got good in 223 but only good in 308 from 110 to 125 not so good in heavy 168-180 range what do you use and do you use one powder in both. Thanks Jon

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon308 View Post
    Is there any one powder good for 223 for 55 to 69 grn bullets and also good in 308 from 150 to 168 grn bullets. Can find powder good in both but not in theese weight range's or am I not understanding it. From what I got good in 223 but only good in 308 from 110 to 125 not so good in heavy 168-180 range what do you use and do you use one powder in both. Thanks Jon
    TAC, VARGET, R15 all will work there are many many more. If you want bang for your buck, try this.

    http://wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=278|283|999
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICANHITHIMMAN View Post
    TAC, VARGET, R15 all will work there are many many more. If you want bang for your buck, try this.

    http://wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=278|283|999
    by which he means the 846 powder from that list.

    also check here

    http://www.hi-techammo.com/

    and here

    http://www.patsreloading.com/patsrel...ategory=Powder

    for actual availability, in addition to wideners. At any given time, some of them will be out but others may have it. Price at any of them is usually similar. Check for extras like free hazmat or shipping if you buy a case of 4 or 6 etc.



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    I use varget for both.

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    I am about to start using Varget, and have been considering using it for my En Mass reloads. Question: Is this a good idea, or should I keep using a spherical powered?
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    If you're wanting GOOD ammo in each caliber, Find the RIGHT powder for each caliber.

    If you're just blasting or need practice ammo, TAC is your powder.

    I have no idea why people use VARGET for .223. It works great and all, but the kernal shape and bulk density or sub optimal. There are much easier and just as good powders to use.

    For 55 grains we use Benchmark - works best when loaded somewhat hot.

    For 69 grains we use H322 - Load to max and no one can hang with you.

    For 168-175 we use Varget - Load that stuff on the ChargeMaster.

    Don't be affraid to run different powders. When I first started I wanted "do all" powders... Now my cabinet looks like a Hodgdon Retail Display.

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    I use varget because it doesn't give me pressure issues with the wild seasonal temp swings where I live. It goes from -30 sometimes in the winter to 100+ in the summer. I agree it's not the best all around powder for 223 but it does pretty good with some bullets.

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    TAC works well for me for 55 gr and 77 gr in .223. Accuracy is as good as anything I've tried with the 55s and very good with the 77s, IMO.

    I developed a good 7.62x51 load as well with TAC and 150 gr Hornady FMJs for a SCAR (sub 1.5 MOA), but I prefer Benchmark for the 150 gr SCAR loads. TAC might be a bit temp sensitive in the 7.62.

    Benchmark is said to be a good choice for .223, but I've not tried it.

    Varget does not meter for crap and also did not get me the velocity I was wanting for the heavy .223 loads.

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    It's a great powder for .223. But there are other, more user friendly powders in Hodgdon's extreme line.

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    I've used benchmark and varget so far for my reloads.i like the benchmark better because it meters better

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    Thanks to all for the info, was wanting one powder to do it all looking for reasonable accuracy but realize for precise work will need to adjust to certain powders. My 300 wm is for that the other two are gas guns and home protection mostly figure ar to 200yd and lr308 to 400 or 500 again thanks. Jon

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    Take a look at CFE223 its a powder that was released in January by Hodgdon and was designed to be used in 308 and 223.

    I have just started loading with it and it does meter very well compared to 322.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colt guy View Post
    Take a look at CFE223 its a powder that was released in January by Hodgdon and was designed to be used in 308 and 223.

    I have just started loading with it and it does meter very well compared to 322.
    What load data are you using because I cannot find any for regular .55 gr FMJ and .52 FMJ? I seem to get a lot of ejection to the 1 O'Clock-2 O'Clock with both.
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    I run H4895 in my 308 precision loads for my bolt gun. From 30 degrees through 100 degrees, I get about 3 tenths of a Mil max variance at 1k yards. My buddy who runs a similar 308 runs Varget & varies about 2 tenths at 1K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colt guy View Post
    Take a look at CFE223 its a powder that was released in January by Hodgdon and was designed to be used in 308 and 223.

    I have just started loading with it and it does meter very well compared to 322.
    +1 for cfe223. I just started using it for my 223 and I think so far it's pretty good.

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    I have used h335 and 4895 for both .308 and .223 with great results.

    A nice cheap .223 round I make tons of is a 55gr projectile with CCI#4 primers and 25 grains of H335, cheap, clean, accurate and fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojo66 View Post
    +1 for cfe223. I just started using it for my 223 and I think so far it's pretty good.
    I was just curious what load your using?im going to start loading 55grain zmax federal sm rifle primers with cfe223 and haven't found a load for this exact setup.i have seen online and hodgdon site data but not this specific setup anywhere.just wanna cross reference as many sources as I can to make sure load data is consistent.i have read online best groups were with 27.5 grains of powder but this is on the high end for any data on hodgdon site.trying to avoid blown primers and stuff

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    I would add H4895 and BL-C2 to the stuff than will run .308/.223 just fine. CFE- 223 will be a very good choice for both. We are having very good results running 168's in .308 and 50-75's in .223. Start a grain under max for both, although one shooter/loader has been using a 165/168 gr load in a TC Venture that is one grain below the starting charge (2570 fps, 24"). He is making some of the Tactical gun crowd cringe when they see his 3-500 yard groups. That damn TC shoots
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    Superperformance powder

    Okay, I've read all the pontifications regarding the specific applications of SP powder. I've read it's slow burn rates and how it's "not the same as used in Hornady's commercial cartridges", but since the .308 is really a necked down 30.06 why no .308 data? Before I am deluged with posts from engineers and safety nazi's- I've already interpolated 30.06 data and applied it to the lower volume casing with stunning results (which I won't publish for litigious reasons). However velocities in excess of 3300 fps coupled with sub moa results @ 200 speak for themself. No pressure signs (e.g. Squashed primers, bulging case and neck, problems with ejection). What's the deal Hornady? Why no data? If anyone wants visual proof, I've saved the casings and of course recorded the range data. Please note, I am in NO way telling ANYONE to try this!

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    I have used 2520 for both with good results and most recently IMR 8208 with good results.

    Of course I can't find either now so I have a few lbs of 322 that I am working on a 55g load for a the moment.

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