Bufferless?

[The Knuckle]

There are a lot of options for a colapsable stock in 556 now. PARA and RRA have some.

HK has a new PDW with a new stock that looks bufferless. I think they have been able to balance a short BCG and just a spring in a tiny buffer tube.









There is also another smaller company doing the same thing but I will have to do some searching.

[Iraqgunz]

As far as I know nothing you have cited is actually available for purchase and none of them are proven. By proven I don't mean someone went to the range one time and it worked for 300 rounds.

I mean proven as in the system has had thousands and thousands of rounds trhough it over time and all the kinks worked out.

As others have mentioned, if you want a folding system get something designed to use it.

There are a lot of options for a colapsable stock in 556 now. PARA and RRA have some.

HK has a new PDW with a new stock that looks bufferless. I think they have been able to balance a short BCG and just a spring in a tiny buffer tube.









There is also another smaller company doing the same thing but I will have to do some searching.

[buckshot1220]

As appealing as an AR with a folding stock may seem, the chances of getting your hands on one that is actually going to be reliable is probably pretty slim, not to mention you will probably lose parts commonality/modularity. Like others have said, look towards some guns that were designed ground-up for a folding stock, not retro-fitted.

The SCAR comes to mind.

[The Knuckle]

As far as I know nothing you have cited is actually available for purchase and none of them are proven. By proven I don't mean someone went to the range one time and it worked for 300 rounds.

I mean proven as in the system has had thousands and thousands of rounds trhough it over time and all the kinks worked out.

As others have mentioned, if you want a folding system get something designed to use it.

Ok, I guess I should have spent more time in wording what I stated.

I certainly don't claim to know it all. I just want to pass on what I have seen and read

IF I was buying a rifle to depend my life on, yes, it would be one with a LONG proven track record.

But, for a recreational shooter there are AR15 options from reputable manufactures.

As far as buying a HK 416 PDW, I can't say at the moment. I would imagine that you can, or in the near future, you could buy a HK. Since its HK you would need to be LE/Mil.

For info sake I will post the website/company with a system like HK. You would, however, need to be able to own a SBR.



For the OP I think this could be a great option. This one is made by RRA, a reputable company.

[Iraqgunz]

416's are not available. The closest available in the U.S is the MR556 and I doubt we will be seeing any 416 PDW's.

RRA is not something most people here would consider reputable.

Ok, I guess I should have spent more time in wording what I stated.

I certainly don't claim to know it all. I just want to pass on what I have seen and read

IF I was buying a rifle to depend my life on, yes, it would be one with a LONG proven track record.

But, for a recreational shooter there are AR15 options from reputable manufactures.

As far as buying a HK 416 PDW, I can't say at the moment. I would imagine that you can, or in the near future, you could buy a HK. Since its HK you would need to be LE/Mil.

For info sake I will post the website/company with a system like HK. You would, however, need to be able to own a SBR.



For the OP I think this could be a great option. This one is made by RRA, a reputable company.

[justin_247]

A folding stock is nifty, but is it really that beneficial? Or is it just cool and people want it for that reason?

Seems like it would only be useful for vehicle ops.

As far as ARs are concerned, there are no systems out there from any reputable manufacturers. Magpul designed an ACR upper receiver that interfaced with a standard AR lower and would allow for a folding stock, but never did anything with it. HK considered something similar during the development of the 416, but decided that it would only have marginal benefits.

[tony413]

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[justin_247]

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This is about as ghetto as it gets. A bolt carrier lopped in half with a Sawzall and a recoil system underneath the top rail that fails to function if a single tiny washer is lost. I can't believe that people would sacrifice so much just to get a folding stock.

[Caeser25]

http://www.zmweapons.com/



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I definitely see this as a viable option in the next evolution in the AR design when properly tested and designed for a specific mission that requires a folding stock...........but jsut copping the bcg is pretty sloppy.

[Dionysusigma]

Isn't the KAC PDW a bufferless design as well?