Your thoughts of .223 64 gr SPEER GDSP?

[Robertsk1]

How do you all feel about SPEERS .223 64 gr GDSP? Is it a good round for unobstructed targets as well as barriers? Would you trust it?

[tpd223]

Have you read this?:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19881

[Robertsk1]

Yea but was still curious how other people felt about it, it was mentioned but not in depth for this particular round, didn't find much in the search either. Just wanted some real world testing info.

[Sixgun_Symphony]

Yea but was still curious how other people felt about it, it was mentioned but not in depth for this particular round, didn't find much in the search either. Just wanted some real world testing info.

actually there is a lot that can be found on this site using the orange search button...

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=105639

This is the Federal Fusion, similar or identical bullet construction as the Gold Dot

[tpd223]

I know this load has been tested quite a bit.

Personally, I think it is superb and I wish I could find some in stock to buy more of.

[WS6]

I have compiled a bit of data on the round (2012 Production 64gr Gold Dot # 24448), both real-world and "paper". Here is a brief synopsis:

Velocity from 16"----2711fps (independently tested, I believe 1-3 shots were used)
Velocity from 10.5"--2508fps (Per ATK, verified with 1-3 shots over the screens which registered 2500 even average, if there was more than 1 shot, I did not do this)

3-shot group at 100 yards-1"

Effective Expansion threshold-"below 1800fps", or 200+ yards from 10.5" SBR, per ICE's specs. ICE is behind the round, as I understand it.

BC--.267
BTSP configuration projectile
Cases: Nickel, no neck sealant, crimped into cannelure
Primers: Sealed, staked

The above is pertinent to 2012 production runs.

Below is terminal performance on a deer, shot quartering at 100 yards with a 16" barreled M700 w/suppressor. The shot hit 1 shoulder.


Impact:

Entrance wound under shoulder:

Trauma to organs:


Exit from tissue (recovered under hide when skinned):

Projectile:
Retained weight: 59.2gr
Expanded Diameter: 0.46"
Distance penetrated: 18" (recovered under opposing side's hide).


This is my go-to round for my 10.5" SBR. It will expand to near double-caliber out to roughly 200 yards from a 10.5" weapon, is very accurate for a barrier-blind round, and terminal performance is as outlined above.

As you will note, it could be argued that the projectile "over-expanded". It impacted doing roughly 2500fps, and you can see how "soft" the bullet is, yet it held together very well.

I have shot windshields with this round from a 14.5" carbine (shooting from inside the car out) and it held togather---impacting the berm at 40 yards in 1 piece--although it was deflected, ANY round will be, and badly! in that scenario. The point is, it holds up well against glass as best I can tell, kicking up dirt like unobstructed bullets, while M193 kicked up only tiny multiple puffs in the same situation as it fragged.

*Thanks to who shot the deer, I donated some of this ammunition for the testing in exchange for the data. No names. They are from TOS. Deer was legally harvested.


As noted, I really like the round. It is my go-to for my SBR.

[ST911]

Search terms combining speer, gold dot, gdsp, 64, and 24448:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=103980
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=70758
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=112290

When searching for info on ammo, it's often helpful to use the actual manufacturer sku/pn to search. When users post their own info on the loads, the better tests, feedback, and info usually include it.

[WS6]

Search terms combining speer, gold dot, gdsp, 64, and 24448:

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=103980
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=70758
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=112290

When searching for info on ammo, it's often helpful to use the actual manufacturer sku/pn to search. When users post their own info on the loads, the better tests, feedback, and info usually include it.

Right, sorry, forgot that part in my review.

[tpd223]

Looking at WS6's pics I can see why I can't find any of this ammo in stock.

Thanks for posting.

[WS6]

Looking at WS6's pics I can see why I can't find any of this ammo in stock.

Thanks for posting.

C'mon, I didn't buy ALL of it . Actually, mid December right after the shooting in CT, I found it in stock on multiple websites when all I wanted was some M193.

Streicher's is where I got mine, about half a year ago. Watch them closely. They get it in regularly. $18/box (about what M193 is currently going for...)