EOTech 512 A65 rev F and rechargable batteries

I just put on a 512 on my carbine and am exploring the possibility of getting a set of rechargable AA batteries for dry fire practice and plinking range time.

I do know lithiums are the best and I have them in the sight right now with a spare pair in the pistol grip. If I were going to a class or shoot a match or the zombies come they’d be what I’d put in of course. :smiley:

Anyone use rechargable batteries in a 512? Does it matter what brand? Lithium ion or Ni-Mh? Anything to watch out for? I’d hate to bust up a not-inexpensive sight cuz I was trying to save on batteries, but if I can, well, its some more money for ammo! :wink:

CAREFUL.

do not use rechargeable lithium ion cells. the the standard voltage of a single AA battery is 1.5v a single 14500 cell(AA size li-0n rechargeable) puts out near 4.2 at max charge. do the math and you fried your eotech.

that being said use the hell out of standard rechargeables. the only thing they suffer over regular non rechareable lithium batteries in an eotech is life. non rechargeable lithiums are designed for high out put devices. ie camera flash, led lights, stuff with a high current draw. eotech doesnt have a high current draw so the result is better run time. rechargeables nickle metal hidrade come in at around 1.2 volts but still work just with out the battery life. i have a stack of nimh ready at all times and i use them over buying lithiums.

just remeber lithium-ions are a whole nother ball game that you dont want to deal with unless you are ready to invest time and money into it. the term flaming discharge if mishandled comes to mind.

Thanks for the heads up on the Lithium Ions, Lee!

Some digging online shows with the AA size there is basically NiMH, NiCad and alkaline rechargeables to choose from, and the alkaline rechargeables supposedly have less runtime than a standard alkaline, so that’s out.

I’m not too clear on the difference between NiCd and NiMh yet but it seems the consensus is that for electronics NiMh is the way to go just like you use.

How many mAh are your batts and approximately how long do these last on a charge for you? And what model EoTech do you have them on?

Look into the Eneloop hybrid rechargeables. They don’t have the horrendous self-discharge rate of NiMh batteries.
Tomac

i dont run an eotech anymore but when i did i never did a run time graph. every time i used the rifle i popped 2 new rechargeables in and threw the old ones back on the charger. i always had a set of primarys (this is the term for all non rechargeable batterys) stored in the stock just in case but that never happened. do like i did and youll be fine.

Didn’t someone make a rechargeable solar powered Eotech? I’m off to find it.

ETA:http://lytonics.com/

Tomac - I’ve run across these in my net research, they are the newer ULSD NiMH’s and they are probably what I will end up getting, thanks!

Lee Indy - A good system you came up with, will get 2 pairs of ULSD NiMH’s and a good charger and start with that. Will also retain the primary lithium spares in my pistol grip just in case.

SW-Shooter - Wow, never seen that before, very interesting! I wonder if anyone is using that now?

Nicad’s can be more finnicky with charge memory. Nickel Metel Hydride is very forgiving as far as recharging from half charge and the such.

I use rechargeables at home and now I have converted my work to use them as well. I buy most (nearly all) of my batteries and chargers here:
http://www.thomasdistributing.com/index.htm?gclid=CKjg8tTLup8CFUVn5Qodq3kMzg

The MaHa chargers with independant charge system for each cell is the only one I use. I have a 4 cell charger and a 10 cell charger. Each battery is independantly monitored and charged rather than averaging.

There is also a new family of NiMH called “low discharge” that have a much improved shelf life after charging… in other words you can pre-charge them and store them, unlike the typical NiMH.

MAHA’s next-generation nickel metal hydride battery the ‘IMEDION’.

Rechargeable Batteries have an inherent characteristic to release their stored energy in small amounts (this phenomenon is called ‘self-discharge’). This property is particularly noticeable in rechargeable batteries such as Nickel Metal Hydride Batteries etc. as compared to dry cell batteries, hence disabling rechargeable batteries from becoming batteries that ‘customers can use immediately after purchase’.

For this reason, rechargeable batteries couldn’t be used unless charged after purchase and so lagged behind dry cells in convenience. This new product’s main property is that it has introduced great improvements in self-discharge properties (residual ratio after one year of non use is 85%*4, in temperature conditions of 20 degree Celsius according to MAHA research).

Through this breakthrough development, MAHA has realized a rechargeable battery that can challenge dry cell batteries in user-friendliness through features such as making possible use immediately after purchase or once charged, its ability to be used anytime.

How MAHA reduced the self-discharge of NiMH Batteries.

Modern Ni-MH batteries consist of two metal stripes ( anode and cathode ), which are separated by a non-conductive porous plastic foil ( separator ). These three stripes are laid on top of each other and are winded to a coil. This coil is put in a metal can and immersed with a liquid ( electrolyte ). Then the metal can is closed with a cap. The self discharge of Ni-MH batteries is caused by three main reasons:

  • the chemical decomposition of the cathode,
  • the natural disaggregation of the anode,
  • Impurities of the anode.

Now, how has the self-discharge in the MAHA IMEDION been reduced?

The chemical decomposition of the cathode has been reduced substantially by the use of an advanced NEW Technology that has been refined by MAHA.

As an additional benefit this technology increases the electrical capacity of the battery and reduces the internal resistance, which allows higher discharge currents than older NiMH Batteries.

Another advantage of the reduced decomposition of this alloy is the fact, that less strategic metal is needed to stabilize the alloy.

The anode has been strengthened by another new material, which reduces the natural disaggregation.

Additionally the separator and the used electrolyte have been optimized for low self discharge of the Imedion.

Low self-discharge - the key-advantage

What makes the IMEDION different than older NiMH Batteries?

The key-advantage of the Maha Imedion compared to usual rechargeable batteries is its extremely low self-discharge.

The IMEDION will Retain Capacity… Even After 12 Months of non-use

Once charged, Imedion retains its charged capacity even after 6 or 12 months of storage
(90% plus of Charged Capacity retained after 6 months, 85% Capacity after 12 months).

IMEDION batteries are pre charged and are ready for immediate use after purchase, straight from the pack. Just like Primary Batteries. There is no need to charge-before-use.

Once charged, IMEDION keeps its charge even if you store it for 6 or 12 months.

( 90 per cent of the charge after 6 months, 85 per cent after 12 months )

For a rechargeable battery this is a revolutionary advantage.

No more worries about the state of charge of your battery.

Just, charge them and keep them.

Even after months you will still have an almost fully charged battery.

In contrast to a disposable battery the IMDEION can be charged 1000 times. This saves the environment and your purse.

Thus one IMEDION saves the waste of 1000 disposable batteries.

Sounds about right Larry, those look like the newfangled ULSD cells. Nice info on chargers and the link, thank you!

I have this at home and at the power plant I work at, we purchased this as our first step into reducing cost/hazardous waste related to batteries:
MAHA C401 - Each of the 4 cells is INDEPENDANTLY charged. This is what you want.

http://www.thomasdistributing.com/shop/maha-mhc401fsdc-battery-charger-black-model-aa-and-aaa-chargerbrincludes-100240v-ac-world-adapter-and-12v-dc-power-cordbrfree-deluxe-storage-bag-free-8-cell-battery-holder-case-p-821.html?SP_id=&osCsid=a98rm8a91donrsllit8gi3gna7

After I convinced my boss how much money we are saving with these batteries, we ordered another handfull and a 10 cell charger that charges each cell independantly. This time from the only other place I deal with (other than Thomas Distributing) http://www.batteryjunction.com/

The 10 cell charger I ordedoes not carry it. I admit that compared to a MAHA brand (Top of the line) charger, this looks and feels cheaply made with poor fit and finish. Everything about it feels… cheap. I don’t know how to explain it. It functions though…
I liked it because it claims to be a delta-V charge system, similar to the $200 Super Brain chargers I use on my $100 each batteries for my son’s E-Maxx truck.

So the 10 Port charger we got and use is the "CH-V6988 IC-Controlled 10 Channels Smart Charger for Ni-MH / Ni-Cd AA &AAA " from Battery Junction. Like I said it feels cheap, but functions just fine.

Description:
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/theshorelinemarket_2091_316846565

•Easy to use.
•Powered by an external AC 110V adapter. (output: 12VDC 800mA).
•Recharges 1 to 10 pieces of AA and AAA batteries.
•Intelligent microprocessor controlled.
•With negative delta V (-delta V) cut-off function.
•Uses constant current pulse charging system.
•Each charging group is individually programmable in its functions.
•Ni-MH and Ni-Cd batteries can be mixed to charge at the same time.
•Recharges batteries singularly or in a group.
•Unique Discharge Feature—maximum battery life extension.
•Automatic charge and discharge function.
•Mechanical protection against incorrect polarity.
•Maximum charging timer control to protect against overcharging.
•Individual LED indicates proper charge, discharge and trickle charge.
•Charging time of empty batteries:
•AAA charging time: 1 to 4 hours.
•AA charging time: 3 to 12 hours.
•Packaged in a 4 color gift box.

Also here is the CUSTOMER REVIEW of the charger:

Reviewer:Jim C.
For many years I’ve been using the standard “quick” chargers that you can buy in any convenience store. Over time, my rechargeable batteries lost life, and a few of them died. This charger fixed all that. It chargers batteries individually, and rejuvenates old batteries (and tells you when a battery is no longer serviceable). It’s great when you have a device that requires an odd number of batteries since most chargers can only recharge in pairs and do a lousy job of recharging batteries of mixed discharge. It chargers slowly, so this device is not appropriate for folks who want to reuse the same batteries repeatedly in one day.

Notice that you can get AAA and AA batteries in rechargable that are more milli amp hours of reserve (Gas Tank size) than standard AAA and AA batteries. We use these for LED lights and for digital camera use and realize a substantial increase in product up-time with the high capacity batteries over the “Energizer Industrial” that our corporation buys.

From the Battery Junction, the Tenergy batteries are pretty good.
From Thomas Distributing I get the bad to the bone MaHa cells.

Also a note to you. If you buy 20 batteries but only use 4, after so much time of rest the 16 un-used will be forever dead. You have to take your cells from the shelf and once every couple months recharge them to keep the cells active and able to function. I have let cells set on a shelf for 2+ years and then attempted to use them and found that 50% of those cells were no longer able to be active. I’m just saying… keep rotating them and try and once in a while run them through the charger to keep them alive. The cells you use often will take many, many charges. Especially with these chargers that charge PER CELL, less damage to the cells than the cheaper averaging chargers that charge using data based on the average of 2 or 4 cells.

Another vote for the MaHa C401, I have two of them.
Tomac

Note:
I have had very good luck with the MAHA products. I consider them the MAC-DADDY of cells to use with the longest run time of any cells I’ve run. I run my camera and LED light for hours per day, many times I take 100-200 photos a day and run my light 3-6 hours per day. I go through batteries!

This is the MAHA AA I would order today if I was not needing the low discharge style:

http://www.thomasdistributing.com/shop/maha-powerex-2700-mah-aabr8-nimh-rechargeable-batteriesbr1-free-8-cell-battery-holder-totalbrone-year-warranty-by-maha-p-642.html?SP_id=&osCsid=vb6r7t3ncbalj5anl2ejtbfd94
MAHA POWEREX 2700 MAH AA
8 NIMH RECHARGEABLE BATTERIES

If I were looking to charge and store the cells for some time, I would wish for the low discharge cells. I would go for these:

http://www.thomasdistributing.com/shop/maha-imedion-aa-2100-mah-ultra-low-discharge-br4-battery-pack-nimhbr1-free-4-cell-battery-case-p-1020.html?SP_id=68&osCsid=vb6r7t3ncbalj5anl2ejtbfd94
MAHA IMEDION AA 2100 MAH ULTRA LOW DISCHARGE
4 BATTERY PACK NIMH

The low discharge batteries in AA size are 2100 MAH versus the AA batteries in standard Nickel Metel are 2700 MAH… so the standard batteries provide you a much larger gas tank to run on. It is a give/take.

Thanks again larry and tomac for the first hand info, especially on the chargers!

Especially interesting larry that you mentioned these cells outlasting the Energizer Industrial primaries as these are the cells that came with the 512 and so now I have a frame of reference.

Yes, look at the MAH rating when you are shopping. I try to steer towards MAHA cells when I can because they seem to handle a shit-ton of charges and take abusive charging in stride. I call abusive charging when I use the cells and go straight from hard use (warm cells to the touch) and slam them into the charger for a rapid recharge. It is recomended to always rest the cells after use to allow them to drop to ambient temp and then charge them followed again by a cooling to ambient temp.

One of the attractions of a Nickel Metal over most typical lead acid cells is that a lead acid drops in voltage over the discharge event where the Nickel Metal holds near full voltage over the discharge event and at the end it plumets off. This provides your LED lights, toys, electronics to run and perform as if fresh batteries are installed until the end of the useable charge in the cells. I like this fact, but it does mean that if your pushing on your device and getting towards the deep end of the cells charge… you will want to carry spare (charged) cells just in case your cells takes a header on you and the device shuts down. Cameras especially do this… one shot your flash charges like nothing is wrong, you take the shot and suddenly the camera is dead. It’s over… change batteries. So there is some give/take, you just need to understand it and plan accordingly.

Go for the larger MAH rating for the longest run times and you will be happily surprised at the performance you will get from your cells.

SANYO cells had always been a trusted favorite of mine until I found the MAHA cells, the MAHA are less expensive (makes it easier for management at work to agree to buy them for me!) and seem to function just as reliably. But… I would say you will never go wrong with SANYO.
Sanyo cells:
Sanyo AAA 1000 MAH cells: http://www.batteryjunction.com/ges-nh1000-bp.html
Sanyo AA 2700 MAH cells: http://www.batteryjunction.com/sanyo2700.html

I just picked up (ordered) cells called “Tenergy” 2600 MAH AA:
http://www.batteryjunction.com/12po20aaba.html
And also some Tenergy AAA 1000 MAH cells:
http://www.batteryjunction.com/aaa10hicanir.html

For the short term, the Tenergy cells are working out as expected… good. I will have to revisit that thought after a couple months of my typical abuse and see if they continue to hold up like the MAHA cells have in the past.

I hope some of my random bullshit helps you out on your quest! PS There are cells labeled QUEST, absolute JUNK.

You read my mind again larry!

I was planing to buy locally and it’s mostly Sanyo where I am at. Have used Sanyos before in other applications and they worked great,again it’s great to see a matching opinion.

Now I know if I don’t get the MAHAs I’m good to go with the Sanyos.

So not random and definitely not bullshit. :smiley: I appreciate the time and detail!

I’ve been running running eneloops in my eotech since I was issued it a few months ago. I got the eneloops from a camera store when I bought my last digital camera 2 years ago. 4 batteries have been working great for me in the camera and I’m now trying them out in the eotech. Rifle rides in the trunk all day and it has been down in the teens a few times and they haven’t failed yet. I got my eneloops from a local camera store. They came in a 4 pack with a rapid charger for under $25. I also have been using Duracell rechargeables that say precharged/ready to use on the packaging. They seem to be Duracell’s version of the Sanyo batteries in that they advertise they will hold a full charge for over a year. Both have worked fine for me in the camera that sits most of the time and the cold weather hasn’t seemed to affect them in the rifle sight. I will say even though they supposedly don’t ever get a memory, I do put my rechargables in a led mini mag and kill them every few months and then fully recharge them. It has worked well for me so far. David

Hey David, so you cycle between two pairs of eneloops for your Eotech? How long does a pair usually last you? And what kind of use does your sight get?