Hehuhates:
When the Modstock is on an M4 extension it is considered “adjustable”.
From Vltor:
The Rifle Length Modstock is a dual-purpose stock system which mounts to either a Carbine Collapsible Receiver Extension (MilSpec only) or the Rifle Length Receiver Extension. The stocks are offered in two sizes: M16A1 length and the 5/8-inch longer M16A2 length stock system.
When mounted to the Rifle Length receiver extension the stock will be the fixed at the A1 or A2 length. When mounted to the Carbine Receiver extension the Rifle Modstock can be adjusted for length by using the Carbine Receiver extension’s locking positions and the provided locking pin.
The Rifle Modstock is available in either the A1 length or the longer A2 version. All rifles use the same receiver extension tube; there are no MilSpec or “Commercial” diameters, the only difference is that the A2 rifle uses a 5/8” spacer and longer screw. The A2 length Rifle Modstock kit does not come with the longer screw or A2 spacer.
Note: When mounted to an adjustable receiver extension tube the Rifle Modstock is legally considered an adjustable stock!
In other words, it needs to be pinned.
kmrtnsn
December 21, 2012, 5:40am
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Hehuhates:
When the Modstock is on an M4 extension it is considered “adjustable”.
From Vltor:
The Rifle Length Modstock is a dual-purpose stock system which mounts to either a Carbine Collapsible Receiver Extension (MilSpec only) or the Rifle Length Receiver Extension. The stocks are offered in two sizes: M16A1 length and the 5/8-inch longer M16A2 length stock system.
When mounted to the Rifle Length receiver extension the stock will be the fixed at the A1 or A2 length. When mounted to the Carbine Receiver extension the Rifle Modstock can be adjusted for length by using the Carbine Receiver extension’s locking positions and the provided locking pin.
The Rifle Modstock is available in either the A1 length or the longer A2 version. All rifles use the same receiver extension tube; there are no MilSpec or “Commercial” diameters, the only difference is that the A2 rifle uses a 5/8” spacer and longer screw. The A2 length Rifle Modstock kit does not come with the longer screw or A2 spacer.
Note: When mounted to an adjustable receiver extension tube the Rifle Modstock is legally considered an adjustable stock!
Well that sucks. I was eyeing this as a solution for movement to ban areas.
rauchman:
Also remember, if pinning your stock, the pin can only go through one side. If it goes through both sides, during the '94 AWB, ATF considered that illegal since the pin could relativley easily be pushed through. I believe NY follows this.
While “it’s better to be safe than sorry” works for most, I have yet to be shown proof that this is a fact. I’ve never been able to find a definition of “Permanently attached”. Some people will say the stock needs to be “blind pinned” others will say to use epoxy and other shit. I would like to see where this whole “pinned from one side” stuff comes from, I think it’s people who think they know more than the next guy making up definitions for the BATFE and then it gets repeated and taken as fact. Remember a pin could relativley easily be drilled out too.
m1a_scoutguy:
Where ya gonna be ?? I live Central NY Area,if your in the area give me a shout someday !!! I feel the pain,NY Blows,Oh well,I use and Like the A1 Stocks alot,I know Fulton Armory sell a decent one with the good butt plate,not the cheap plastic crappy one !!! I also have a Vltor EMOD Stock on one of my rifles,pinned of coarse !! It was funny one day,I had both my rifles leaning up against the wall after cleaning them and when I looked at them,they were the same dam length overall !!! After finding the “sweet” spot for the EMOD and pinning it,its the exact same length overall as my A1 !! Kinda funny I thought !!http://www.fulton-armory.com/buttstockassemblygroupa1newblack.aspx
I live in the Buffalo area. I cannot wait to retire on a nice 50+ acre spread in east Texas somewhere. I haven’t brought everything up yet, but I want to get my weapons taken care of before I bring them up. I am very familair with the M4 platform and usually shoot it fully extended so I wasn’t too concerned with a fixed stock. I was too accustomed to the A2 feel. I keep it collapsed for transport and storage.
Hehuhates:
While “it’s better to be safe than sorry” works for most, I have yet to be shown proof that this is a fact. I’ve never been able to find a definition of “Permanently attached”. Some people will say the stock needs to be “blind pinned” others will say to use epoxy and other shit. I would like to see where this whole “pinned from one side” stuff comes from, I think it’s people who think they know more than the next guy making up definitions for the BATFE and then it gets repeated and taken as fact. Remember a pin could relativley easily be drilled out too.
I hear you. I may just swap it out with a fixed one just to avoid any problems. I don’t anticipate any issues with pinning, but I can just swap them back when I move back.
Do whatever your comfortable with. I have rifles with “pinned” stocks and rifles with fixed length stocks. I pinned all of my stocks and I’m confident that they all meet the legal requirements. If you can’t adjust it without using tools or taking the shit apart “I’d say your fine”. I pinned an E-Mod by removing the battery tubes drilling through the RE and the stock. I then drove a pin,metal dowell, through everything and put the tubes back on. If that’s not good enough too bad. I don’t see a policeman or anyone else EVER having a reason to remove my battery tubes from my stock.
Hehuhates:
When the Modstock is on an M4 extension it is considered “adjustable”.
From Vltor:
The Rifle Length Modstock is a dual-purpose stock system which mounts to either a Carbine Collapsible Receiver Extension (MilSpec only) or the Rifle Length Receiver Extension. The stocks are offered in two sizes: M16A1 length and the 5/8-inch longer M16A2 length stock system.
When mounted to the Rifle Length receiver extension the stock will be the fixed at the A1 or A2 length. When mounted to the Carbine Receiver extension the Rifle Modstock can be adjusted for length by using the Carbine Receiver extension’s locking positions and the provided locking pin.
The Rifle Modstock is available in either the A1 length or the longer A2 version. All rifles use the same receiver extension tube; there are no MilSpec or “Commercial” diameters, the only difference is that the A2 rifle uses a 5/8” spacer and longer screw. The A2 length Rifle Modstock kit does not come with the longer screw or A2 spacer.
Note: When mounted to an adjustable receiver extension tube the Rifle Modstock is legally considered an adjustable stock!
In researching the NY law, it states a “folding or telescoping stock”. Does the Rifle Modstock fold or telescope or is the cheek weld adjustable part?
Not sure. If you use a standard rifle RE you would be good though.
cd228
December 21, 2012, 10:27pm
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francis
December 24, 2012, 2:58am
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can you forgo any muzzle device at all? Just have the barrel without one? I remember they used to sell rifles like that during the AWB
As long as it’s not threaded. Even thread protectors need to be permanently attached.