No I don't believe that at all and I did not make that claim. The highest quality parts coupled with the best process are most likely to yield the highest quality result.
I have no involvement in the industry and I do not claim to be an expert on manufacturing. Just pissing in the Koolaid of the chart worshippers by pointing out the claims of quality in the sacred chart are not supported by any numbers.
I have two complete Noveske rifles, a LMT lower and an old bushmaster. So far the Noveskes are on track to match the bushmaster's reliability. Of course my sample size is too small for that to be a statistically meaningful observation.
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It may well be and I'm sure if he contacted BCM with his issue, Paul Buffoni will gladly help him correct the issue.
Statistically insignificant based upon quality control and the company's eagerness to understand any problems and correct them.Are instances of where the total of the BCM product being less than the sum its parts a problem with the manufacturing process or quality control or statistically insignificant based on manufacturing volume?
Bushmaster is rather notorious for its quality control issues and chronic inability to meet the minimum standards required by the military.If the same failure rate was experienced by Colt, LMT or Bushmaster would it be news? What I am getting at here is does two or however many out of the box failures there have been represent a significant percentage of the manufacturing volume?
At the bottom is a tab called "Expanation of Features" that explains everything in it.Where is the information on the sacred chart that guides the first time AR buyer to the reliable AR, surely the chart should be able to answer such a question based on its stated objective?
It's simply not true that "every manufacture makes something that turns out to be 'parts is parts'."I am sure one of you chart humpers will be quick to point out that every manufacture makes something that turns out to be “parts is parts” but you have to put it into context of overall production volume for it to have any more meaning than someone claiming their bushmaster has never failed.
These are very easy to find. There are numerous instructors who run high-round count courses and take note as to which brands of rifles go down and which ones easily handle the stress put upon them by the users. For example, Pat Rogers of EAG Tactical keeps a book that documents every failure he has in his course, the cause of it, the brand of the rifle, and, if possible, the remedy.But you chart humpers want facts, drawings explanations, now lets have some cold hard statistics from you, not anecdotal "my bcm has never failed, and I have alot of posts."
If anything, your post has demonstrated your inability to comprehend basic information or to do any modicum of research on this issue. Instead, you demonstrate your ignorance with a lengthy and profane post that reflects very poorly upon yourself.
Were it not for the hard work of folks like Rob Sloyer, Grant Timberlake, and the other SMEs on this site in getting out this important information, many of us would have purchased inferior, failure-prone rifles that cannot be trusted. Personally, before I found this site, I was interested in purchasing a DPMS. After educating myself and asking numerous questions, which were kindly answered with detailed answers, I decided upon a DD rifle instead.
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Ok, I'll bite. (just because I like playing devil's advocate)
I like my Rock River Varmint upper. It does not match TDP, it wouldn't even register on the chart.
But for what I ask of it, it does a GREAT job.
The barrel is a stainless bull barrel, which definitely isn't 4150. But it will shoot sub .5MOA.
It has not been MPI, but for a bench gun with a 1" thick barrel, I'd be shocked if it has an issues that .223 ammo would cause issues with.
It does not have a 5.56 chamber. It has a Wylde chamber. Which is perfectly fine for bench rest shooting. I haven't ever had a failure to extract with it (or any failure at all), but I know it isn't 5.56.
It came with a rifle stock, so the extension wasn't commercial. But first on the list was a UBR stock to replace it, which includes its own buffer extension.
The chart IS great. Information helps us all. I used it when buying a BCM upper recently. You just have to know what your needs are, what information the chart provides, and where you want to make what sacrifices.
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